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    Web A frame but bag with leather fittings has no tie holes ? has

    Why does the 1940 dated bag on the web A-frame that looks to be possibly dated 1942 have no holes for the tie strings ?

    Is this a manufacturers variation from the norm or have they simply forgotten the holes and reinforcement grommets when they made it ?

    Any help/ explanation/ experience that could be shared here would be appreciated,

    Chris
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    #2
    good chance for unfinished bag.

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      #3
      Just a thought - first production run then superseded by the version with eyelets when it was discovered that these were impractical?
      Nothing wrong with your 'A' frame.
      Mark
      NZ
      Collector of Afrikakorps Uniforms & Fieldgear -
      http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=130267
      Mannequin Painting -
      http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=180061

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        #4
        by the way frame is stamped 'lederwerk' what mean leather stuff maker .

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          #5
          Originally posted by wehl View Post
          by the way frame is stamped 'lederwerk' what mean leather stuff maker .
          I should imagine they were the types of firms with heavy duty sewing machines to make this type of product, especially the earlier version with leather fittings before the all-web versions.

          On this point, the bag/ pouch is marked "Sattler- ?" which means Saddle-maker as I understand it.

          Many thanks for your reply,

          Chris

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            #6
            Originally posted by NZMark View Post
            Just a thought - first production run then superseded by the version with eyelets when it was discovered that these were impractical?
            Nothing wrong with your 'A' frame.
            Mark
            NZ
            Thanks Mark,

            I was wondering that too. Early version with no eyelets ?

            However, I have seen a 1939 dated example that had the eyelets as they all seem to have.

            Its a puzzel ?

            Chris

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              #7
              Well, that shoots that one down
              Can't explain it unless the manufacturer ran out and needed to complete the allotted numbers that month...? We've seen it with no-grommet m40 caps...?
              Mark
              NZ
              Collector of Afrikakorps Uniforms & Fieldgear -
              http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=130267
              Mannequin Painting -
              http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=180061

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                #8
                Originally posted by NZMark View Post
                Well, that shoots that one down
                Can't explain it unless the manufacturer ran out and needed to complete the allotted numbers that month...? We've seen it with no-grommet m40 caps...?
                Mark
                NZ
                Here is another one without the grommet holes for the tie strings on LUX Military Antiques https://www.lux-military-antiques.co...frame-bag-.htm

                This example is RB numbered and given that my one is dated 1940, late war does not seem to be the answer to the puzzle.

                Hard to know why no holes ?

                Is this the work of one particular maker or a different model ?

                Chris
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                  #9
                  This one on LUX does have round flaps also , and very fragile long straps made of
                  lining reinforcement cloth .
                  No Grommets : IMO manufacturers variations .
                  Nick

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by GAMS1 View Post
                    This one on LUX does have round flaps also , and very fragile long straps made of
                    lining reinforcement cloth .
                    No Grommets : IMO manufacturers variations .
                    Nick
                    Thanks Nick for your post,

                    I do not know much about these bags at all. Are "round flaps" a footprint of late war manufacture ?

                    Fragile straps makes sense for late war production,

                    Chris

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 90th Light View Post
                      Thanks Nick for your post,

                      I do not know much about these bags at all. Are "round flaps" a footprint of late war manufacture ?

                      Fragile straps makes sense for late war production,

                      Chris
                      I don't know if the round flaps are typical late war but i thought i see another manufacture variation i never observed !
                      Nick

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by GAMS1 View Post
                        I don't know if the round flaps are typical late war but i thought i see another manufacture variation i never observed !
                        Nick
                        Thanks Nick,

                        well the plot thickens in more ways than one,

                        Chris

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 90th Light View Post
                          Here is another one without the grommet holes for the tie strings on LUX Military Antiques https://www.lux-military-antiques.co...frame-bag-.htm

                          This example is RB numbered and given that my one is dated 1940, late war does not seem to be the answer to the puzzle.

                          Hard to know why no holes ?

                          Is this the work of one particular maker or a different model ?

                          Chris

                          This one ( lux one ) is typical late war example from very end of production of A-frames. The first you have shown looks like some sort of mistake made during production ( some forgot to add eyelets or maker run out of eyelets and decided to finish it like that ).
                          Still looking for LARGE SIZE M43 gabardine jacket and m43 gabardine cap ... maybe some day I will find it best regards Marcin

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