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    Cigarette case

    A few days ago I got some cigarette cases in a package deal from an old collection, some more interesting than other, some are complete bazar like the wooden one with "secret" door, some self made aluminum ones...
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    … but this one is most interesting of them all.


    It was a present to Walther Schröder by police officers in 1942.
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      #4
      Here are some shots of the inside engraving.
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        #5
        Some closeup of engraving.
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          #6
          And here is a couple pictures of Walther Schröder that are available on line.
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            #7
            Very interesting piece, and the engraving is great, police leader in Latvia.

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              #8
              Yep, he was a head of SS and police in Latvia at that time, here is another picture of him that I found.
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                #9
                Latvian silver hallmarks of that period.
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                  #10
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                    #11
                    Those are nice!The engraving work is incredible!

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                      #12
                      Another poorly done fake in my opinion.


                      Even an apprentice jeweler would never do such a terrible and messy job of soldering on those letters. Even amateur jewelry makers would be ashamed to make such a mess of it.


                      How anyone could be taken in by this crap is beyond belief. No one today would buy a cigarette case that was stained and had such sloppy soldering - and they certainly wouldn't buy it in the 1930's or 1940's.



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                        #13
                        Your opinion is wrong.
                        There is no soldering on any of those letters, those letters are all riveted .
                        All that black you see around letters it is a buildup of dirt from use and heavy patina because those places between the letters are hard to rich.

                        Please show me example fake with this quality engraving .
                        Last edited by AlikN; 10-21-2019, 10:37 PM.

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                          #14
                          Where is the sloppy solder? What you see around the monograms is merely oxidization and the build-up of grime- its not so easy to clean in there. The monograms are clearly riveted on, not soldered! Furthermore, the engraving is excellent.

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                            #15
                            Originally posted by TonyS View Post
                            Another poorly done fake in my opinion.


                            Even an apprentice jeweler would never do such a terrible and messy job of soldering on those letters. Even amateur jewelry makers would be ashamed to make such a mess of it.


                            How anyone could be taken in by this crap is beyond belief. No one today would buy a cigarette case that was stained and had such sloppy soldering - and they certainly wouldn't buy it in the 1930's or 1940's.

                            Man who engraved this case was a very skilled jeweler, no apprentice would do it. Close examination of the inside of engraved letters shows some oxidation in them and some very small black specks, so the engraving is not new and the case was used after the engraving. The use of it is more obvious on the outside, the scratches, all the dirty build-ups in areas around letters from handling, it just has the right feel to it - that it's been used.

                            Try to find someone now to make this quality writing engraving, will be very hard to do so, today most jewelers can only size rings and set stones.

                            Fakers usually don't make such a complicated case construction with all the riveted letters - to much labor. They "scratch" in a scull and a couple of runes on outside of the case and it would be ready to go. ... also is it a coincident that case is Latvian and from the correct period, not some 800 marked pretending to be a German-made case.

                            Also if you are an expert on period engravings and jewelers work, can you please show some of your research and period cigarette cases with engravings.

                            ...and please before passing any judgment on the quality of soldering, take a closer look and see that there is no soldering at all. Makes me wonder about your level of knowledge on this subject, if in your "careful" pictures observation to make your conclusion you didn't even see the rivets behind each letter.


                            Here are some closeups of oxidation in letters.
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