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  • Funia
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    Not my area but the stamp level quality is for me just funny.
    The whole story is funny.
    Peter

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  • Bob H
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    Maybe Bob Hritz can jump in on this HH set for futher infos of origin.

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  • BrianK
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    There are more excuses for the authenticity of Herr Weitze's items than for farts in an elevator.

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  • DonC
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    Originally posted by mevm36 View Post
    I also highly doubt that he is willing to risk his reputation by knowingly offering for sale such a magnificent collection if he knew it was a copy. He would then list it as such!

    Marcus
    That's funny... See this one: https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...er-from-weitze

    Don

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  • fldjr
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    What’s with the fuzzy ink stamp on the document? Would expect nice crisp image on a high level piece.
    Attached Files

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  • jimt
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    Originally posted by Silberkreuz View Post
    Here is another 100% original that looks like the weitze one. The weitze has a correct makers number too. EB15B6D4-0C06-4F14-BA95-ECC1E9C109B9.jpeg
    Colin,
    Who's tunic is this cufftitle on ? or better yet could we see a picture of it ? thanks
    jimt

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  • magma
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    Derek, you are fully right.

    magma

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  • Silberkreuz
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    Originally posted by jimt View Post
    I wonder why the collar tabs do not fit properly in the box ?
    I thought that too, but if you turned the tabs around by 90 degrees they fit the box well, leaving room for the RZM Tag, can not see any attaching thread on the tabs or seal. Can not imagine the seal just freely floating in the box.. or the seal has just been added (based on the picture Previously attached)
    but as stated before.. why would the paper tag be missing if un issued..
    best Colin

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  • AntiqueWW2
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    Originally posted by derek View Post
    "He had in Austria one Tailor in Graz who made him his Tunic, including his Effects."

    Based on what evidence? I have read thousands of documents from the RZM and Verwaltungsamtes-SS in the course of researching SS insignia and it is curious that the extremely strict protocols and rules that are contained in them go flying out the window - especially when it comes to questionable items.
    Based on several conversations I had with people who were in Himmler's inner circle and also family, including those he visited very often in Graz and 2 bills from the tailor in Graz. Himmler is Himmler and the rest is the rest. You are surely right, every normal soldier, officer or general with a few exceptions, who did it exactly like Himmler, got his stuff the way it is written in the documents you have read, only not Himmler, at least in this case it is provable.

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  • derek
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    "He had in Austria one Tailor in Graz who made him his Tunic, including his Effects."

    Based on what evidence? I have read thousands of documents from the RZM and Verwaltungsamtes-SS in the course of researching SS insignia and it is curious that the extremely strict protocols and rules that are contained in them go flying out the window - especially when it comes to questionable items.

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  • clestuff
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    Perhaps if they clean up that oak leaf a little with some steel wool...

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  • jimt
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    I wonder why the collar tabs do not fit properly in the box ?

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  • AntiqueWW2
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    Originally posted by derek View Post
    "he used several Tailors, 2 in Germany, one in Graz, Austria...and they made all different Tabs".

    I have to disagree with this statement. Tailors did not make SS insignia. For example the RZM tailoring instructions for the evening dress are quite clear that the insignia had to be obtained through the RZM.
    Well, sorry to say, but that is far from how it was, special for Himmler. He had in Austria one Tailor in Graz who made him his Tunic, including his Effects. And i know many more who where not RZM Listed and still made Effects. What is written somewhere, that not always represent how it was in reality.

    Also the Urkunde has no issue to me. Set it just fine. And Price is what it is, when you want something what is that high up....you need to pay or go to a Museum

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  • derek
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    "he used several Tailors, 2 in Germany, one in Graz, Austria...and they made all different Tabs".

    I have to disagree with this statement. Tailors did not make SS insignia. For example the RZM tailoring instructions for the evening dress are quite clear that the insignia had to be obtained through the RZM.

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  • HAF
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    Originally posted by itchyjoe View Post
    Weitz description in English:
    Reichsführer SS: complete set of effects for the dressing gown and possession certificate for the badge of honor of the Old Guard, personally owned by Heinrich Himmler
    around 1938/39. Pair of collar tabs, sleeve band and shoulder piece for the black or field gray open service skirt. The collar tabs with the special embroidery for the Reichsführer SS: 3 oak leaves each in an open laurel wreath. Hand-embroidered metal thread, on the laurel wreath additionally small sewn-on metal beads, on black velvet cloth with silver cord all around. Enclosed an RZM seal, with which the collar tabs were probably attached together. The collar tabs are unworn, complete in the original cardboard box from the supplier, with black imprint on the side "Reichsführer SS - Alu." . The shoulder pieces with the heavy 2-colored silver braid on a black cloth pad with the special metal pad for the Reichsführer SS: 3 oak leaves lying on top of each other. Sew-in design, on the underside with woven fabric label "RZM 38/36 SS". Complete with nickel-plated shoulder button, stamped "SS RZM 63" on the back. In addition, the sleeve band for SS chiefs in aluminum braid with black stripes. Full length 44 cm with stitched ends, on the left side with RZM / SS paper label. All effects never worn, in good condition. Furthermore, the certificate of ownership for the "Badge of Honor of the Old Guard", awarded by the Gauleiter des Gaues Bayerische Ostmark of the NSDAP, issued to "Himmler, Heinrich München". The certificate is dated "Bayreuth, September 10, 1933", with the original signature "Schemm" Gauleiter. Condition 2.
    A historically unique ensemble of museum significance.
    urkunde is still a joke here

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