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    Luftwaffe Fliegerbluse for Hermann Göring Division Unteroffizier for review

    Hi, grateful for any opinions or PM's on this HG NCO fliegerbluse.

    Both cuff bands are hand-sewn on.

    Regards, Paul
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    Last edited by PaulW; 07-08-2015, 07:18 PM.
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          The boards are wool piped.
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              Both cuff titles are hand-sewn on.
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                      #11
                      Hi Paul,
                      For me, these HG flieger blouses are alwasy dangerous territory. I have owned a number of them over the years, and each one is always different. Generally, I like this tunic, and the application of the collar tabs, eagle, cord piping and the shoulderstraps. I like that the shoulderstraps material appears to match the color/quality of the tunic, making one think they came from the same bolt of cloth. I am less enthusiastic about the HG cufftitle however, as the script seems a bit sloppy to me. I know that is a rather luke warm review, but it is hard to get 100% excited about these tunics unless they just scream at you.
                      Thank you,
                      Curtiss

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                        #12
                        Hi Curtiss,
                        many thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! Thanks also for the PM's and e-mails received from others. With regard to the HG cuff-title I admit I'm no expert on them, and I have to rely on the expert opinions of others. I've gone ahead and ordered it from Mike Davis of the Virtual Grenadier and he has assured me that all the insignia is original, and (as far as it is humanly possible to tell) wartime applied. The original listing is here:-

                        http://www.virtualgrenadier.com/sale_item.php?iid=3446

                        I have received some large file size pictures (too big to post on WAF) and looking at the back of the collar, the collar tab retaining thread seems to match the thread used in the construction of the blouse itself, in terms of type and age. I'm pretty happy with the eagle and collar insignia overall. I also posted the "Afrika" band in the 'Campaign shields and cufftitles' section and have been assured it's a good one:-

                        http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=811498

                        I've been in touch with Bill Petz on this forum as I wasn't sure if I'd ever seen an Afrika cuff-band on a HG soldier. Bill said that he had (as did "Tim OK"), but that instances are extremely rare. Bill recommended that I get in touch with the former Luftwaffe collector and HG author George Petersen. I did and I have to say he was very friendly and helpful. I sent the link to Mr Petersen and he said it all looked OK to him. Regarding the Afrika cuff-band I said that Bill (who he knows) had seen very few, he said:-

                        "Yes its possible that a HG could have a Africa band, not that he got out in the last moment, but rather served there and was transferred out or wounded and shipped out etc. I also have seen very very few photos of HG with Africa Bands."

                        I also posted the fliegerbluse on the War Relics Forum and received positive feedback from Adrian Stevenson who has a special interest in the HG. It also went on the MFF forum in Germany and received positive feedback.

                        Mike Davis did say that the HG NCO band is probably (looking at the nap, and some old threads) not the first band on the blouse, but the Unteroffizier rank is the first to receive the NCO band, and as he said it's entirely possible that a standard EM band was there previously after promotion from Obergefreiter. Both bands are hand-sewn on which I have no problem with. As the WAF's own section ( http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/camp...egulations.htm ) on the Afrika band says:-

                        "hand sewing of sleevebands was the more common method and made more sense given the practices of the times"

                        something Gary Wood also pointed out to me a little while ago, and something I've heard directly from veterans myself.

                        I'm guessing from the lining (partial use of rayon) and lack of an RB number that the tunic might date from around 1942, obviously the factory applied collar piping piping was dropped in early 1940, so would have been added at the unit level as was the practice with some NCO's wanting to look "sharp". I have a signals Oberfeldwebel fliegerbluse that came straight from a veteran's foot-locker that had lain untouched since WW2, it is "LBA 42" marked with all rayon lining, but also has a piped collar.

                        "MarkG" pointed out (elsewhere) that the wear on the inside of the Afrika band was less than he would expect to see (where it rubs against the tunic body), but the condition of this blouse suggests a 'best' or walking out fliegerbluse to me, not a combat tunic. There might be more wear on the inside of the HG band (I'll have to check when I have it in hand), but I understand that there were sometimes delays in the issue of the Afrika band and have seen soldbuch entries showing issues in 1944. It may not have been on as long as the HG band.

                        Overall, I realise that there will always be questions about the Afrika band, and that it is statistically unlikely that one is seen, or would have survived. However, as it is technically possible I will leave it alone! The history I have from the consignor is that it was acquired from a collector "in Germany who got it through a family connection".

                        It has three loops, so I'll add an EK1, a Luftwaffe Ground Assault and a Wound badge.

                        On the negative side, I've started looking at HG visor caps. One thing always leads to another in this hobby....

                        Regards, Paul
                        Last edited by PaulW; 07-14-2015, 06:59 PM.
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                          Hi Paul,
                          I agree with the opinions of the other individuals you mentioned. HG cufftitles are so varied, and so many different styles that it is hard to stay on top of them all. There are people, like Mike, who handles very many of these, and he also has many years of experience, and he is as honest as the day is long.
                          As for the DAK cufftitle, I have no problem with an HG member having this on his tunic, as the whole division fought there, and many surviving members from Afrika were incorporated into the new Division.
                          I think this is a tunic you could live with and enjoy. HG visor caps are available, if a bit expensive, but I feel they are actually undervalued currently.
                          It makes a wonderful, historical display.
                          Thank you,
                          Curtiss

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                            #14
                            Looks very impressive!

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                              #15
                              It looks very nice Paul, congratulations
                              It will look great on a mannequin with a visor, good ones are hard to find, I waited a while to pick a mint one up
                              Best - Greg

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