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    #46
    I know that a lot of good fakes were made right after WW2 so after all these years they look like they are from the right time period. I dont know why people have to make fakes and rip people off ??

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      #47
      I have to say that while some of these are atrocious others are absolutely frightening in their appearance of originality...I will avoid SS helmets unless I personally pick it from the garage or attic.

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        #48
        James

        Originally posted by ValhallaMilitaria View Post
        I have to say that while some of these are atrocious others are absolutely frightening in their appearance of originality...I will avoid SS helmets unless I personally pick it from the garage or attic.
        Dear all, I have to agree. I think that in future there will only be one way to tell an original from a repro, and that is to have indisputable provenance with a piece. There have been a few comments concerning masses of fakes coming out of Europe, whilst this is true it is a very sweeping statement to make. there are also a lot of very good original pieces still occasionally coming to light over here and until recently still some in storage. (incredible but true!)

        Equally there are fakes in the U.S being passed off as originals so you are just as likely to get burned over there.

        I guess I am fortunate in that I have over 50 years experience in handling German headgear, if I am happy with a piece I'll pay the money even if that goes against (currently) recognised textbook standards.

        I do not envy the position of newcomers to the scene, having to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to own just one piece and learn from mistakes as all the old hands have.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Igelkatze View Post
          Hey guys i want to say you you have here in the Postings many repros but 4-5 Helmet Decals are Original why you think thats are complete repros have you many SS Helmets in our Countrys ? we in austria have Original SS helmets in Uniform Storage at die Austrian Army that Helmets are Originals i was in one of this Storage in my Army Time and i Have seen Many of that Helmets and let you say a helmet Decal to make old is not easy the most replicas are Plastic **** you can feel when you touch it an original Decal can you not feel and rust to make in a decal oh come on i have many Helmets at Home with original Decals and repro Decals i can say that but what funny is the most Peaple here in the forum Have in your Countrys only Replicas when you Buy a SS Helmet in the USA have you a great chance to buy a Fake in Germany or Austria is the change to Buy a Fake little when you can good looking lol

          and the next in europe are only one man that make good fakes of Helmet Decals The Joke is they are Original Helmet Decals in This Time on A Helmet Burnd


          Who are you to come on here and blatently disregard all of the experts advice?? First you offer incorrect advice contradicting everyone and saying that the first and last pics are originals?? Then u pretty much say that Americans dont know an original from a fake because you have more SS helmets in your country?? WOW. It really shows just how much you know! haha whata joke.

          I just wanted to thank the people who are actually helping the collectors like myself who are desperately trying to understand probably the hardest piece of history to identify as a fake. I for one have a horrible time with helmet decals, especially SS and it has kept me from purchasing one until I learn for myself how to spot an original. I have learned ALOT over the past few years and am pretty comfortable with spotting badges/medals and edged weapons, but helmets are a new venture for me and I am approaching it by dipping my toe in the water before I actually jump in. Thanks again!

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            #50
            Originally posted by 12thPanzer View Post
            Who are you to come on here and blatently disregard all of the experts advice?? First you offer incorrect advice contradicting everyone and saying that the first and last pics are originals?? Then u pretty much say that Americans dont know an original from a fake because you have more SS helmets in your country?? WOW. It really shows just how much you know! haha whata joke.

            I just wanted to thank the people who are actually helping the collectors like myself who are desperately trying to understand probably the hardest piece of history to identify as a fake. I for one have a horrible time with helmet decals, especially SS and it has kept me from purchasing one until I learn for myself how to spot an original. I have learned ALOT over the past few years and am pretty comfortable with spotting badges/medals and edged weapons, but helmets are a new venture for me and I am approaching it by dipping my toe in the water before I actually jump in. Thanks again!

            Yep, this guy comes off as an arrogant SOB, doesn't he? If he is so knowledgeable, he should post detailed analysis of what fakes are shown in this thread and also post his voluminous collection of original SS lids. Sounds like a kid bragging and showing how superior he is to all us uncultured Americans. Pffft

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              #51
              Well, there is one way to be absolutely sure:

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                #52
                SS & Luftwaffe Normandy

                I have a very reliable seller that has a reputable shop in Leavenworth, KS. I have these two helmets on lay-away at the moment. The SS is an m-35 obviously and just a SD. The liner and chinstrap are all original and only the chinstrap has some wear to it. All of the fingers are intact and look decent for this old of a helmet. I was going to take more pictures but I didn't have alot of time today. The Luftwaffe helmet is from Normandy. I know enough to smell for paint, new leather, feel for difference as far as the decal goes and paint texture. Some people might disagree as if they are fake or not but I know for sure they aren't or I wouldn't be paying what I am paying for them. I'm pretty good friends with the owner so he usually cuts me a break on the price as the taxes on the Kansas side are a bit ridiculous. I will post some more pictures when I goto make another payment towards them. I hope everyone enjoys them!

                <a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/6c5771120290764" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/12030/6c5771120290764.jpg" alt="imagebam.com"></a> <a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/6066d6120290765" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbnails7.imagebam.com/12030/6066d6120290765.jpg" alt="imagebam.com"></a>

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                  #53
                  SS helmet directly below this post

                  Lucifershal0,

                  That SS helmet is an M40, not M35. Enjoy your helmets!

                  -Dan

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by handschar View Post
                    guys.. this is all really confusing for newbie like me

                    for untrained eyes.. they are all look real and authentic!! especially the weathered ones!!!

                    can anybody post authentic SS decals photos here as well as to oppose the fake ones so that newbies can get a clear understanding on the differences. pls!
                    This is a great idea. If anyone can do this, I am indebted to you. Scott

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Lucifershal0 View Post
                      I have a very reliable seller that has a reputable shop in Leavenworth, KS. I have these two helmets on lay-away at the moment. The SS is an m-35 obviously and just a SD. The liner and chinstrap are all original and only the chinstrap has some wear to it. All of the fingers are intact and look decent for this old of a helmet. I was going to take more pictures but I didn't have alot of time today. The Luftwaffe helmet is from Normandy. I know enough to smell for paint, new leather, feel for difference as far as the decal goes and paint texture. Some people might disagree as if they are fake or not but I know for sure they aren't or I wouldn't be paying what I am paying for them. I'm pretty good friends with the owner so he usually cuts me a break on the price as the taxes on the Kansas side are a bit ridiculous. I will post some more pictures when I goto make another payment towards them. I hope everyone enjoys them!

                      LucifershalO,

                      It´s a Quist 66 right? or maybe 64?

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                        #56
                        Real or Fake?

                        I scanned through the images and didn't see this one. Thoughts?
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                          #57
                          Camo fake, decal fake IMO

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                            #58
                            After reading all 7 pages of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that I might as well buy repro helmets and repro decals and not worry about "fakes". I mean think about it...you can pay THOUSANDS of dollars for a helmet that you think comes from a reputable dealer (who may have been deceived) and end up with SOMETHING on it that isn't original. Why take that risk? And now that some of these helmets ARE worth thousands of dollars, they have become a theft item. So if you put them on display in your house, you are just asking for a thief to break in and "liberate" your investment. If someone breaks into my house, he will only get a $80 helmet that is easily replaced. Looking at all these decals, I see only a few that are cartoonish and obviously not original. Unless the person looking at the helmet is also an experieced helmet collector, he isn't going to be able to spot a repro from the real thing if it's a good copy. And I have seen some VERY good copies available. Much better that the cartoonish ones some have posted on this thread. Just my opinion...feel free to rip into it.

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                              #59
                              I am quite the people person and many people visit my place where i have helmets on display. The best comment i have had was "Oh those are nazi helmets, right?". People don't know what we collect, burglars won't be interested unless they're into collecting Third Reich items, and i doubt most of them are! Just my thoughts


                              Originally posted by Deputy276 View Post
                              After reading all 7 pages of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that I might as well buy repro helmets and repro decals and not worry about "fakes". I mean think about it...you can pay THOUSANDS of dollars for a helmet that you think comes from a reputable dealer (who may have been deceived) and end up with SOMETHING on it that isn't original. Why take that risk? And now that some of these helmets ARE worth thousands of dollars, they have become a theft item. So if you put them on display in your house, you are just asking for a thief to break in and "liberate" your investment. If someone breaks into my house, he will only get a $80 helmet that is easily replaced. Looking at all these decals, I see only a few that are cartoonish and obviously not original. Unless the person looking at the helmet is also an experieced helmet collector, he isn't going to be able to spot a repro from the real thing if it's a good copy. And I have seen some VERY good copies available. Much better that the cartoonish ones some have posted on this thread. Just my opinion...feel free to rip into it.
                              "Got some ARVN rifles... never been fired and only dropped once!"

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by TheCleaner View Post
                                I am quite the people person and many people visit my place where i have helmets on display. The best comment i have had was "Oh those are nazi helmets, right?". People don't know what we collect, burglars won't be interested unless they're into collecting Third Reich items, and i doubt most of them are! Just my thoughts
                                Please don't be so trusting as people know more than you think(or think they do)They go on ebay and other sites and see that your collection of orig. helmets are worth big bucks so they will steal it and don't think they won't.All you need do is let the wrong one in and that will be that.I had some camo helmets switched on me back in the 70's because I was proud of my collection and trusted the wrong person and he got me.Oh by the way it was a good friend(I thought).

                                Dennis J
                                Dennis Johnson

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