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    Goering Pistol

    Hey guys what do you think? I know zero about guns but the seller said this was Herman Goering's and wants $15,000.
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    #2
    Would need major provenance to prove this ever belonged to Herman.

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      #3
      Exactly, I wouldn’t touch it without a trail of provenance.


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        #4
        Looks pretty plain to have belonged to Goering. Needs provenance or it is just a story for a huge price.

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          #5
          Gorings Walther
          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...le-30-000.html

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            #6
            Gorings Walther
            https://www.morphyauctions.com/james...aissance-plat/

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              #7
              There are published photos of HG's surrender and the pistol he handed over was a US .38 Special. Can't recall if it was a Colt or S&W but the latter is probably correct.

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                #8
                Goering's surrender pistol, a S&W 4" M&P model, is on display at the USMA. There is also a photo of him walking with his pal Adolf and armed with a holstered revolver with lanyard loop, probably the same S&W. He supposedly purchased the pistol from a Hamburg gun dealer before the war. Doubt that it's a repro. Considering the historical significance of the pistol at the time, having it remain in the hands of a junior officer isn't very likely. The Walther is certainly a fine example but without HG's accompanying Waffenschein, there'll always be an element of doubt.
                Last edited by oldcorps; 02-08-2020, 08:48 AM.

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                  #9
                  About $14,750 too high. Looks like someone's truck gun before it was crudely engraved. Pistol is worn, but engraving is not. Not the quality that Herman Goring would have worn.

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                    #10
                    When US troops captured the Walther factory, there were high grade engraved custom pistols reserved for presentations on hand. I've seen a couple of these that were brought back by GIs on display at shows and these were not for sale. The PPK in question is engraved in a manner consistent with these examples.

                    Considering HG's considerable girth, if he'd worn a holstered pistol as diminutive as a PPK it would have looked ridiculous. That's probably why he wore the S&W.

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                      #11
                      Engraving

                      Originally posted by Johnny Peppers View Post
                      About $14,750 too high. Looks like someone's truck gun before it was crudely engraved. Pistol is worn, but engraving is not. Not the quality that Herman Goring would have worn.
                      I concur. The engraving looks to be new.

                      Oldcorps:
                      When US troops captured the Walther factory, there were high grade engraved custom pistols reserved for presentations on hand. I've seen a couple of these that were brought back by GIs on display at shows and these were not for sale. The PPK in question is engraved in a manner consistent with these examples.
                      Are there any pictures or links to pictures people could share of this for some comparison?
                      I would expect the GI captured to have better quality engraving than the OP's
                      Looking for Soviet orders and medals for my collection.

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                        #12
                        Images of comparable Walther engraving shouldn't be difficult to find. Jim Julia has been around the trade for a long time.

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                          #13
                          Just reminded that Julia sold out so he's no longer a factor. This particular pistol has been sold several times at high prices so I doubt that there's a problem with the engraving. Some claim that it didn't come from HG personally but instead, belonged to someone in his entourage. Judging by the finish wear it's had considerably handling.

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                            #14
                            No Nazi High Party Leader ever carried that rag. Here are some photos of Nazi era engraved pistols, and high quality fakes of these pistols exist.

                            https://www.google.com/search?client...4dUDCAs&uact=5

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                              #15
                              I think I'd tell the auction house if I were you, they like to know these things. They'll probably be indebted for the advice.

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