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    #16
    Mike well spotted, they are indeed two shell cases hanging on the Schürzen hooks. Above that area a second spare wheel has been thrown onboard, plus there seems to be a jerrycan or two stowed beyond towards the rear, besides the more obvious one seen stowed on the left front.

    Of note is the style and placement of Balkenkreuz, which is the Austrian Nibelungenwerk factory's signature. It therefore follows there would have been a Balkenkruez factory-applied on the rear turret Schürzen (unlike Vomag who applied their crosses on the superstructure). In some cases this unit's Nibelungenwerk tanks therefore had the rear tactical number offset to the left of the cross, while others show either the cross painted out and the number applied centrally, or no rear number was applied. Btw, I forgot to mention before at least one photo of a later Ausf.J shows an Oakleaf insignia on the rear turret Schürzen.
    Last edited by mussorgsky; 10-09-2020, 12:18 AM.

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      #17
      Superb photo!
      Willi

      Preußens Gloria!

      Sapere aude - "Dare to know! Have the courage to use your own intelligence!" - Immanuel Kant

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        #18
        Turns out the original image posted is an ebay auction scan which has been Photoshopped to remove the "Kurmark Antik" branding. Its quite well done, however for the record its worth pointing out one unusual bit of detail beside the driver's visor was partially obliterated in the process - "824" has not one but two oak leaf insignia, making it all the more interesting - see below.

        Also for the record, there were at least two other shots of "824" sold by that seller, one taken earlier when its Schürzen was not damaged:
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          #19
          202€ someone wanted is badly
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          search: BMW R12 parts
          search: everything from Fliegerhorst Illesheim
          search: everything from Kavallerie Reg. 17 Bamberg

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            #20
            Well, that didn't take long....

            https://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-WK-Foto-We...53.m1438.l2649

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              #21
              thats really not long ... and others getting propably fooled
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              search: BMW R12 parts
              search: everything from Fliegerhorst Illesheim
              search: everything from Kavallerie Reg. 17 Bamberg

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                #22
                Hi,

                wow mussorgsky you did an amazing study, congratulations !!!

                See You

                Vince

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                  #23
                  Thanks Vince

                  Note the ebay.ca print Hundstaffel has found and kindly linked above is yet another Photoshopped version of the nice original damaged photo, but this time its way beyond just a bit sloppy. Every part of the photo where the 'Kurmark-Antik' brand was has been damaged rather than restored and even areas were there was no writing have been obliterated; these two areas ringed being just the more obvious - look at the missing tip of the Schürzen :
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                  Last edited by mussorgsky; 10-09-2020, 01:10 AM.

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                    #24
                    Updated montage
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                    Last edited by mussorgsky; 10-09-2020, 12:55 AM.

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