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    #31
    Diane, please bare with me as I am new to reichsbahn insignia. but what makes this a 42 pattern? and could the pattern have not just been used postwar?

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      #32
      1942 Pattern or Postwar tabs?



      Hi Jim,

      I think these may be prototype 1942 pattern collar tabs for the following reasons:

      1. The embroidery is in yellow rayon thread on a fine doeskin wool badge cloth.

      2. The design of the winged-wheel and Oakleaf wreath conform to the pattern issued in 42.

      3. The backing is buckram and the twist cord piping is cellohan.

      They came with a huge lot of unissued and unfinished Railway Insignia from an authorized manufacturer of Reichsbahn Insignia during the 1924-45 period.

      While it is true they made insignia until the 1960's (they now make electronics) the wartime stuff was clearly seperated from the postwar stuff.

      Could these be an intermediary design used from 1945-48 prior to the issue of the new pattern? It is certainly possible.

      Perhaps WVD Paris / Michael Aubin can share some of his reference material with us?


      Sincerely,


      Diane


      Note the differences between the 1942 & 1948 BeVo pattern tabs:




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        #33
        shoulder boards

        Originally posted by Diane
        Hello Hajo,


        Do you mean these shoulder boards?


        http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=140393&page=2


        Perhaps RBD PAris / Micharl Aubin can provide us with a list of ranks & pay grades? It is such a complicate subject!


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        Dear Diane,

        First thank you for your reply!
        I meant the shoulder boards on the first page of this thread: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=140393 for example on the 7th from top photo on the right bottom or on the photos which you posted below the mentioned on the middle pair. I know from period plates the other type of shoulder boards, but this almost completely blue type I can find anywhere.

        May you or anyone else explain their meaning and/or give me a hint to some regulation or other reference file about their meaning and introduction perhaps?

        Again, thank you in advance!!!

        Very best regards!
        Hajo

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          #34
          Reichsbahn Insignia Regulations 1942

          Hello Hajo,

          I am posting a page from the Uniformenmarkt (Tailors Trade Publication) issue 05-1942 showing the "new" Reichsbahn insignia.



          Note that there is an error in the collar tab illustrations - can anyone spot it?

          Follow this link for a larger, printable image of this page.

          I hope this answers some of your questions.

          Sincerely,


          Diane
          Last edited by Diane; 03-04-2006, 04:11 PM.

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            #35
            Diane's unknown tabs

            Hi Diane,
            thank for your Email, I am now back in this interesting thread...

            Originally posted by Diane

            Could these be an intermediary design used from 1945-48 prior to the issue of the new pattern? It is certainly possible.
            Yes it is !!!! beetween 1945-46 and probably until the introduction of the new pattern in 1948, railway man wore exactly the same collar tabs as the 1941 pattern but w/o Swastika.

            Concerning the construction, this exact constuction (tan buckram backing, rayon thread on fine doeskin wool badge cloth) is find in the 1948-51 pattern too.
            Here is 3 of the 4 different construction variation of the 1948-51 pattern
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              #36
              Hello again !

              Originally posted by Diane
              I am posting a page from the Uniformenmarkt (Tailors Trade Publication) issue 05-1942 showing the "new" Reichsbahn insignia.
              Diane
              issue is 1941 not 1942.
              Interesting to note that many items on this page only were abolished or replaced between 1 and 4 month later !!! (shoulder Boards, CT, brocade belt,..)

              Originally posted by Diane
              Note that there is an error in the collar tab illustrations - can anyone spot it?
              Diane
              Here are some of my collar tabs,
              Can any one find the same "error" in the following pics ???

              will try to post other pics later...

              Michael
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                #37
                where's waldo?

                o.k,i give up! so where is waldo?
                jim

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                  #38
                  reichsbahn helmets

                  I thought you reichsbahn fans might be interested in seeing my two helmets. (always looking for more)
                  I have been one of those collectors that have bought things and just stuck them in drawers, boxes, closets, where ever and am just now trying to get things out and photo and display them. and it is nice to finally see a reichsbahn post to do it and get some help!
                  thanks everyone jim
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                    #39
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                      #40
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                      Last edited by jim schaffer; 07-08-2006, 08:25 PM.

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                        #41
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                          #42
                          shoulder boards

                          Dear Diane,

                          thank you very much for the posting of the Uniformen-Markt scan! I know this and it does show the explained boards unfortunately only. The boards I mean are not the shown ones with blue with yellow interwoven braid, but the boards with blue braid only on blue with yellow interwoven top underlay and blue bottom underlay. THey seem to be not shown in the reference documents I saw and which were posted here as of now. Also in books these boards are always refered as being unexplained.

                          So thank you again sincerely!

                          Perhaps someone outthere knows of a reference file, which explaines the boards I am talking about or has an explanation itself.

                          Thank you!

                          Best regards,
                          Hajo

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                            #43
                            Hallo haja
                            Originally posted by hajo
                            thank you very much for the posting of the Uniformen-Markt scan! I know this and it does show the explained boards unfortunately only.
                            Yes those were already explained and known, but note that the are probably the rarest Reichsbahn SB ! Worn only 3 monthes...

                            Originally posted by hajo
                            The boards I mean are not the shown ones with blue with yellow interwoven braid, but the boards with blue braid only on blue with yellow interwoven top underlay and blue bottom underlay.
                            Do you mean this boards ?
                            Those are the last pattern (november 1943) Reichsbahn SB for pays group 5 and over.
                            hope this helped
                            Michael
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                              #44
                              Michael, must say that whole uniform is a beauty!! did that tunic come with those shoulder boards and collar tabs or where they added later by you or someone else? also can I get a close up of the visor? that embroidered wing looks fantastic.
                              thanks jim

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                                #45
                                shoulder boards

                                Dear Michael,

                                yes, indeed the shoulder boards on your tunic are the ones I am looking for. Thank you very much for the photo of your really nice tunic and the visors!

                                So this is the final pattern board version? Do you know any reference about this final pattern boards? There surely must exist a regulation about the introduction of these.

                                Again, thanks a lot!

                                Best regards
                                Hajo

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