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  • Milite Ignoto
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    Originally posted by Ian Tannahill View Post
    Giday everyone,

    Thank you WJW for posting three fascinating images of gliders used by the 1st Kompanie of the Luftlande Sturm Regiment during the invasion of Crete.

    Stijn, the numbers painted on the side of each glider used by Sturmgruppe Genz when compared with the numbers painted on the sides of gliders used by other groups look quite different. The numbers painted on the gliders used by Sturmgruppe Genz are rather large and are rather crude. The colour looks to be a very light colour, possibly white. What do you think?

    I believe that a shell fired by one of the AA guns hit a wing of glider No. 8, which was carrying Oberjäger Hahn's section. As a consequence the glider came crashing down upon one of the AA guns.

    Unfortunately Hahn and the pilot, Klimke, were killed by MG fire from the battery while attempting to exit the glider, while five of the remaining Fallschirmjäger suffered broken arms and legs arising from the hard landing.

    Volkmar Kuhn in his book on the Fallschirmjäger makes refers to an Obergefrieter Holzmann who apparently survived the landing and attacked the gun emplacement with a grenade.

    Does anyone have any information about Hans Holzmann? I am particularly interested in any information that confirms that Hans Holzmann was a member of the 1st Kompanie of the Luftlande Sturm Regiment.

    Well this will have to do for now.

    Best wishes,

    Ian
    <a href="https://ibb.co/QnNY0fJ"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/q9sm6dD/IMG-20191119-150002.jpg" alt="IMG-20191119-150002" border="0"></a>

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  • WJW
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    Genz gliders

    Hello,

    No there are no more glider photos in this album of Genz's force. Here's a close up.

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  • Stijn David
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    Olt. genz's Section

    Hello,


    Thank you for the explanation, are there more glider pictures available from this person?

    Any chance of posting some close ups from the painted numbers on the gliders?

    Cordial greetings,

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  • Ian Tannahill
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    Giday everyone,

    For those who share my interest in Sturmabteilung Koch, the Oberjäger WJW is referring to was previously a member of Sturmgruppe Stahl.

    Best wishes,

    Ian

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  • WJW
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    Genz

    "How do you know that these gliders did belong towards the Genz section?"

    >> They're from an album of a FJ Ojg who was in Genz's detachment.
    WJW

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  • Thomas Bendixen
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    Hi Stijn

    Congrats on your superfind - its allmost like sitting in the cokpit that gruesome day. Having just recieved my first worn "Kreta" cufftitle and my first Fallschirmjäger badge I know how you must feel

    By the way I was I Crete "Chania" 4 years ago and was quite surprised when I realized that there was a huge memorial for the fallen F.Jäger less than 100 meters from my swimmingpool. It consisted of a really large fallscirmjäger eagle on a pidestal. I bought a book about the attack on Crete and was at once fascinated by the story this exotic and blody campaign.

    Cheers Thomas Bendixen

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  • Stijn David
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    very interesting

    Hello,


    Thank you for sharing tehse pictures, these are most interesting to say at least.

    Indeed the numbers look rather crudely painted and i have no explanation on that for the moment. Mayby they where quickly painted on the front shortly before the mission on itself? Could we get a close up on the different numbers ? About the colours, that is also a very difficult one => mayby white or yellow?

    How do you know that these gliders did belong towards the Genz section?

    Cordial greetings,

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  • Ian Tannahill
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    Giday everyone,

    Thank you WJW for posting three fascinating images of gliders used by the 1st Kompanie of the Luftlande Sturm Regiment during the invasion of Crete.

    Stijn, the numbers painted on the side of each glider used by Sturmgruppe Genz when compared with the numbers painted on the sides of gliders used by other groups look quite different. The numbers painted on the gliders used by Sturmgruppe Genz are rather large and are rather crude. The colour looks to be a very light colour, possibly white. What do you think?

    I believe that a shell fired by one of the AA guns hit a wing of glider No. 8, which was carrying Oberjäger Hahn's section. As a consequence the glider came crashing down upon one of the AA guns.

    Unfortunately Hahn and the pilot, Klimke, were killed by MG fire from the battery while attempting to exit the glider, while five of the remaining Fallschirmjäger suffered broken arms and legs arising from the hard landing.

    Volkmar Kuhn in his book on the Fallschirmjäger makes refers to an Obergefrieter Holzmann who apparently survived the landing and attacked the gun emplacement with a grenade.

    Does anyone have any information about Hans Holzmann? I am particularly interested in any information that confirms that Hans Holzmann was a member of the 1st Kompanie of the Luftlande Sturm Regiment.

    Well this will have to do for now.

    Best wishes,

    Ian

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  • WJW
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    LS6 (Genz's force)

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  • WJW
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    LS4 or LS5 (Genz' force)

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  • WJW
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    LS8 (Genz' force)

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  • Stijn David
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    gliders at crete

    Hello,

    Indeed the image was quite small and i also had some troubles inr eading it first, so no need to worry

    As it does not seem that there are much glider flight logs from Crete arround we can mayby give this thread a extra dimension with posting pictures from the different gliders (both wrecks as complete ones) and try to ID them towards the different strike forces?

    Cordial greetings,

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  • Dirk
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    Stijn- Congrts on a great find (and getting it) and expanding your outstanding understanding of these glider troops....well done

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  • JYN
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    David,

    The image you did post was so small that I red Eleusis...

    JYn

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