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    Early Deumer L/11 marked, Schinkel form

    Hi Guys: I need your opinion on this Iron Cross. Three pieces made. Magnetic core. Early Wilhelm Deumer, maker marked on its needle L711. Probably a low date type. Slightly curved. I can not find references (not even consulting books) of it. It has everything that can be seen in crosses of Deumer, but separately...
    Weight: 13'96grs
    Dimension: 43mm x 43mm.
    I tend to think it's a super rare Floch...but if it is, we have a problem.
    Thanks in advance

    Ricardo
    https://www.brunomadomedals.com/en/

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    #2
    Sorry...no pictures....Again

    ...well I can't "security token was missing"....
    https://www.brunomadomedals.com/en/

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      #3
      If it is L/11 marked it can’t be a Schinkel

      If the date is low on the core I think it’s a latvian fake

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        #4
        Agree with ben, i have never seen a schinkel from Deumer marked with L/11 on the pin. Surprise us Ricardo! Chances are very high it's a reproduction.

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          #5
          Thank you guys. I don’t know the problem but I can not post pictures.
          That’s the problem....I have never see a Deumer marked on the pin (and on its upper side). No sense but maker mark is very reliable (to me). Whait to see the pictures......cross is very dangerous if finally it is a fake.

          Ricardo
          https://www.brunomadomedals.com/en/

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            #6
            I agree with others and the original EKI Schinkelform have a particular setup behind.
            Regards

            Gew44/Max
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              #7
              Originally posted by Gew44 View Post
              I agree with others and the original EKI Schinkelform have a particular setup behind.
              That is why I expect to see a Latvian fake.
              THE set-up is pretty similar to an original Deumer Schinkel

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                #9
                Convincing looking but fake.
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #10
                  Mark Looks convincing, this pin set-up is new to me.
                  But it’s still the classic Latvian fake.

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                    #11
                    I agree, not a good one.
                    The biggest giveaway is the uneven width of the frames.
                    Also the patina looks so unnatural.

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by Nightstalker View Post
                      I agree, not a good one.
                      The biggest giveaway is the uneven width of the frames.
                      Also the patina looks so unnatural.
                      As usual, pictures are not the best (sorry for that). Even a fake, the cross is a beauty and absolutely convincing. I will take beter pics, patina looks pretty good too. Seems that we have a new-impresive copy over there.

                      Ricardo
                      https://www.brunomadomedals.com/en/

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                        #13
                        more pictures....
                        https://www.brunomadomedals.com/en/

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                          #14
                          Originally posted by Byakkotai View Post
                          more pictures....
                          sorry
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                          https://www.brunomadomedals.com/en/

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                            #15
                            Originally posted by ben bijker View Post
                            If it is L/11 marked it can’t be a Schinkel

                            If the date is low on the core I think it’s a latvian fake
                            As Ben wrote the date is low in the IC fake than the originals; the setup behind clean all dubts. ( Always no mm punched above pin)

                            I made a little comparison to explain better my though.

                            Sorry is not a professional one but "home made".
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                            Gew44/Max
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