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  • dannyboy759
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    Deschler & Sohn 1
    B-Type/Prototype
    Round-3 "Thick Frame" variant
    Round-3 "Deschler Frame" variant
    unmarked
    marked "1"

    C.E. Juncker 2
    WFS frame (non-mag. WFS core)
    WFS frame (mag. WFS core)
    crunch-bead frame (non-mag. WFS core)
    crunch bead frame (mag., Juncker core) aka "full Juncker"
    crunch bead frame (mag., W&L core)
    crunch bead frame (mag., L/12 marked) (1)
    common L/12 type frame (unmarked)
    common L/12 type frame (marked L/12)

    Wilhelm Deumer 3
    Schinkel (mag.)
    Schinkel (non-mag.)
    unmarked
    marked 3
    marked L/11

    Steinhauer & Lück 4
    unmarked
    marked 4
    marked L/16
    marked 4 and L/16


    Fritz Zimmermann 6
    thin beading frame unmarked, slim date numerals core
    thin beading frame marked 6.
    fat beading frame marked 6.

    Paul Meybauer 7
    Schinkel glossy paint
    Schinkel matte paint
    unmarked
    marked 7
    marked L/13
    marked 7 and L/13

    Grossmann & Co. 11
    unmarked
    marked 11

    Frank & Reif 12
    Ubergroße (unmarked)
    Ubergroße "Little Brother" (unmarked)

    Gustav Brehmer 13
    unmarked
    marked 13

    L. Christian Lauer 14
    unmarked
    marked 14



    Friedrich Orth 15
    Unmarked
    marked 15

    Alois Rettenmaier 16
    unmarked
    marked 16

    E. Ferd Weidmann 19
    unmarked
    marked 19

    Gebrüder Godet 21
    unmarked early frame type
    unmarked later frame type
    marked 21 later frame type

    Boerger & Co. 22
    unmarked
    marked 22

    Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf in der Graveur- und Ziselierinnung 23
    unmarked
    marked 23 with 23 core
    marked 23 Meybauer core

    Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller 24
    unmarked
    unmarked with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)
    marked 24
    marked 24 with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)


    Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-, Gold- und Silberschemiedeinnungen 25
    unmarked
    marked 25

    B.H. Mayer
    Schinkel (unmarked) (1)
    unmarked (Schinkel core/LDO frame) (1)
    unmarked (regular Mayer core/LDO frame) (1)
    marked L/18

    Anton Schenkl's Nachf. (Maria Schenkl) 27
    unmarked with # frame
    marked 27 with # frame
    marked 27 with standard frame

    F.W. Assmann & Söhne 35
    Schinkel (non-mag)
    Schinkel (mag)

    Berg & Nolte 40
    unmarked
    marked 40

    Jakob Bengel 44
    unmarked
    marked 44



    Gottlieb & Wagner 52
    unmarked
    marked 52

    J.E. Hammer & Söhne 55
    unmarked
    marked 55

    Robert Hauschild 56
    unmarked
    marked 56 core 1
    marked 56 core 2

    Katz & Deyhle 60
    unmarked
    marked 60

    Klein & Quenzer A.G. 65
    unmarked core 1
    marked 65 core 1
    marked 65 core 2
    marked 65 core 3
    marked 65 core 4
    marked 65 core 5

    Friedrich Keller 66
    marked 66

    75 (Unknown Maker)
    unmarked
    marked 75

    Ernst L. Müller 76
    unmarked
    marked 76

    Paulmann & Crone 86
    unmarked (non-mag)
    unmarked (mag)

    Richard Simm & Söhne 93
    marked 93

    Rudolf Souval 98
    unmarked
    marked 98
    marked L/58

    Rudolf Wächtler & Lange 100
    unmarked
    marked 100
    marked L55

    Brüder Schneider 106
    marked 106

    Walter & Henlein 109
    unmarked

    Hermann Aurich 113
    Unmarked
    marked 113

    Funke & Brunninghaus 116
    unmarked
    marked L/56

    Franz Petzl 120
    unmarked
    marked 120

    J.J. Stahl 122
    marked 122

    Beck, Hassinger & Co. 123
    marked 123
    marked [123]

    Eugen Gauss 125
    marked 125

    Moritz Hausch A.G. 127
    unmarked (1)(2)

    S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. 128
    marked 128

    Franz Reischauer 132
    marked 132

    J.H. Werner 137
    marked 137


    Julius Maurer 138
    marked 138

    Schauerte & Hohfeld 140
    Schinkel (non-mag)
    Schinkel (mag)
    unmarked
    marked L/54

    Otto Schickle L/15
    Schinkel one-piece (mag)
    Schinkel one-piece (non-mag)
    unmarked (mag.)
    unmarked (non-mag.)
    marked L/15 (mag.)
    marked L/15 (non-mag.)

    Petz & Lorenz (no number known)
    one-piece unmarked

    Unknown Makers
    "Long Flaw" "Lug variant." Two cores known: "Small RK core" and "Juncker WFS" core.
    "Lug" unmarked. Three core types known: typical lug core "small RK" core, and "Juncker WFS" core.
    "Lug" marked Z
    "Small Frame" uses Juncker's "WFS core" but has a different frame.
    Round-3 beveled-edge frame
    Round-3 swas-on-pedestal, pebbled core surface (possible Deschler)
    Straight-9 Schinkel
    Unknown Maker Schinkel
    "Odd Date"
    "8" variant, this cross is not manufactured by maker 8, it just doesn't have another name.
    "Straight-Arm" variant
    Spanish-made (various types)

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  • netkuuk
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    Nice list I also want to start collecting ek2 but there are so many for sale.

    Which makers are rare and should i buy when i see them?

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  • streptile
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    Hey Greg,

    I know 925 as a silver marking on Imperial EK2 rings. It signifies sterling silver, and sterling silver frames are pretty easy to identify in-hand. They tarnish deeply and evenly. I've never seen that mark on a 1939 EK so I'd guess it's a replaced ring but without pics it's hard to say for sure.

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  • realone
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    Thanks guys, I think its the silver content also,,only one I have ever seen, does anyone else have one to show? Trevor your thoughts?

    Greg

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  • Dansson
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    Could be a silver content mark?

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  • Wolfgang Schwar
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    Originally posted by realone View Post
    Hi Trevor, I have an EK2 marked 925 on the ring, it was in the Gordon Williamson Book a few years ago, on page 83 under Ed Anderson's name, which I got from him a few years ago, do we know where this one fits in yet? or is it the silver content?


    Best
    Greg
    Hi.I think the highest maker No. is 138 Julius Maurer.Best regards Wolfgang.

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  • realone
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    Hi Trevor, I have an EK2 marked 925 on the ring, it was in the Gordon Williamson Book a few years ago, on page 83 under Ed Anderson's name, which I got from him a few years ago, do we know where this one fits in yet? or is it the silver content?


    Best
    Greg

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  • alexjwelirang
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    New to EKII's

    Hi guys, i'm new to collecting the EKII and have many questions as i've been focusing on documents. Here are my questions: What does B-type mean? How can you identify a B.H Mayer EKII unmarked variant from a Deschler & Sohn EKII unmarked variant? How do you identify a schinkel form EKII (is it from the material used? When i see photos of schinkel form EKII's to other variants, they look quite similar. I thought it had to do with the size but i must be wrong). What does Core A, B, C mean? What does LDO mean?
    Last edited by alexjwelirang; 02-20-2015, 12:32 PM.

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  • ctcole77
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    Wow

    Thx for your help guys! I identified 3 of my EK1s!

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  • alexjwelirang
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    Douglas 5, thank you for letting me know!

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  • Douglas 5
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    Hi :
    You have to be a paid member to post and in the correct area .

    Douglas

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  • alexjwelirang
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    How to make a message?

    Guys i'm new to the forum and I really don't know how to post a new message or a new post. I've been searching every corned for some sort of post button but I can't find one. I'm trying to post a Heer Artillery Badge and asking you all if you think it's real or fake. Help me how do i post??????

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  • streptile
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    New update: Added a Juncker variant ("common L/12" frame, unmarked); moved "small frame Juncker" into Unknown Makers for lack of evidence; same with "long flaw Juncker," and added a note linking the latter to the Lug variant. Added notes about Lug and Long Flaw core types.

    Please let me know if something is missing from this list!

    More links to photos to come as time permits.

    Current as of 19 Nov 2014

    Deschler & Sohn 1
    • B-Type/Prototype (1)(2o,2r)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)
    • Round-3 "Thick Frame" variant
    • Round-3 "Deschler Frame" variant (1o,1r)(2o,2r)(3o,3r)
    • unmarked
    • marked "1"


    C.E. Juncker 2
    • WFS frame (non-mag. WFS core)
    • WFS frame (mag. WFS core)
    • crunch-bead frame (non-mag. WFS core)
    • crunch bead frame (mag., Juncker core) aka "full Juncker"
    • crunch bead frame (mag., W&L core)
    • crunch bead frame (mag., L/12 marked) (1)
    • common L/12 type frame (unmarked)
    • common L/12 type frame (marked L/12)


    Wilhelm Deumer 3
    • Schinkel (mag.)
    • Schinkel (non-mag.)
    • unmarked
    • marked 3
    • marked L/11


    Steinhauer & Lück 4
    • unmarked
    • marked 4
    • marked L/16
    • marked 4 and L/16


    Fritz Zimmermann 6
    • thin beading frame unmarked, slim date numerals core
    • thin beading frame marked 6.
    • fat beading frame marked 6.


    Paul Meybauer 7
    • Schinkel glossy paint
    • Schinkel matte paint
    • unmarked
    • marked 7
    • marked L/13
    • marked 7 and L/13


    Grossmann & Co. 11
    • unmarked
    • marked 11


    Frank & Reif 12
    • Ubergroße (unmarked)
    • Ubergroße "Little Brother" (unmarked)


    Gustav Brehmer 13
    • unmarked
    • marked 13


    L. Christian Lauer 14
    • unmarked
    • marked 14


    Friedrich Orth 15
    • unmarked
    • marked 15


    Alois Rettenmaier 16
    • unmarked
    • marked 16


    E. Ferd Weidmann 19
    • unmarked
    • marked 19


    Gebrüder Godet 21
    • unmarked early frame type
    • unmarked later frame type
    • marked 21 later frame type


    Boerger & Co. 22
    • unmarked
    • marked 22


    Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf in der Graveur- und Ziselierinnung 23
    • unmarked
    • marked 23 with 23 core
    • marked 23 Meybauer core


    Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller 24
    • unmarked
    • unmarked with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)
    • marked 24
    • marked 24 with ancillary mark on jumping: (list needed)


    Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-, Gold- und Silberschemiedeinnungen 25
    • unmarked
    • marked 25


    B.H. Mayer
    • Schinkel (unmarked) (1)
    • unmarked (Schinkel core/LDO frame) (1)
    • unmarked (regular Mayer core/LDO frame) (1)
    • marked L/18


    Anton Schenkl's Nachf. (Maria Schenkl) 27
    • unmarked with # frame
    • marked 27 with # frame
    • marked 27 with standard frame


    F.W. Assmann & Söhne 35
    • Schinkel (non-mag) (this cross may also be L/54 or Friedrich Linden) (1)
    • Schinkel (mag) (this cross may also be L/54 or Friedrich Linden)


    Berg & Nolte 40
    • unmarked
    • marked 40


    Jakob Bengel 44
    • unmarked
    • marked 44


    Gottlieb & Wagner 52
    • unmarked
    • marked 52


    J.E. Hammer & Söhne
    • unmarked
    • marked 55


    Robert Hauschild 56
    • unmarked
    • marked 56 core A (1)
    • marked 56 core B (1o,1r)


    Katz & Deyhle 60
    • unmarked
    • marked 60


    Klein & Quenzer A.G. 65
    • unmarked core A
    • marked 65 core A
    • marked 65 core B
    • marked 65 core C


    Friedrich Keller 66
    • marked 66


    75 (Unknown Maker)
    • unmarked
    • marked 75


    Ernst L. Müller 76
    • unmarked
    • marked 76


    Paulmann & Crone 86
    • unmarked (non-mag)
    • unmarked (mag)


    Richard Simm & Söhne 93
    • marked 93


    Rudolf Souval 98
    • unmarked
    • marked 98
    • marked L/58


    Rudolf Wächtler & Lange 100
    • unmarked
    • marked 100
    • marked L55


    Brüder Schneider 106
    • marked 106


    Walter & Henlein 109
    • unmarked


    Hermann Aurich 113
    • unmarked
    • marked 113


    Funke & Brunninghaus 116
    • unmarked
    • marked L/56


    Franz Petzl 120
    • unmarked
    • marked 120


    J.J. Stahl 122
    • marked 122


    Beck, Hassinger & Co. 123
    • marked 123
    • marked [123]


    Eugen Gauss 125
    • marked 125


    Moritz Hausch A.G. 127
    • unmarked (1)(2)


    S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. 128
    • marked 128


    Franz Reischauer 132
    • marked 132


    J.H. Werner 137
    • marked 137


    Julius Maurer 138
    • marked 138


    Schauerte & Hohfeld 140
    • Schinkel (non-mag) (this cross may also be by Assmann or Friedrich Linden) (1)
    • Schinkel (mag) (this cross may also be by Assmann or Friedrich Linden)
    • unmarked
    • marked L/54


    Otto Schickle L/15
    • Schinkel one-piece (mag)
    • Schinkel one-piece (non-mag)
    • unmarked (mag.)
    • unmarked (non-mag.)
    • marked L/15 (mag.)
    • marked L/15 (non-mag.)


    Petz & Lorenz (no number known)
    • one-piece unmarked


    Unknown Makers
    • "Long Flaw" -- possible Juncker but unproven. This cross is also linked somehow (same maker? relationship between makers? Same supplier?) to the "Lug variant." Two cores known: "Small RK core" and "Juncker WFS" core.
    • "Lug" unmarked (1). Three core types known: typical lug core as seen in photo 1, "small RK" core, and "Juncker WFS" core.
    • "Lug" marked Z
    • "Small Frame" Also a possible Juncker, this one uses Juncker's "WFS core" but has a different frame.
    • Round-3 beveled-edge frame
    • Round-3 swas-on-pedestal, pebbled core surface (possible Deschler in my opinion)
    • Straight-9 Schinkel
    • Unknown Maker Schinkel (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)
    • "Odd Date" variant
    • "8" variant (1)(2) NB: this cross is not necessarily manufactured by maker 8; it just doesn't have another name.
    • "Straight-Arm" variant (1)
    • Spanish-made (various types)

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  • newoq11
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    good job

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  • Jimbo#1
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    mm 129

    Sir,

    I have a mm "129" EK II Klasse, and have been informed that it is constructed by parts from S&L?

    I have the thread below; if correct it doesn't appear on your list (understandable as the maker was PKZ registered but not a maker of EK in the early years)

    http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=751982

    comments and advice welcome, thank you in advance

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