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  • CMSgt
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    L/53 Zinc

    L/53 Zinc with four prongs centered top and bottom.

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  • CMSgt
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    L/14

    EKI spange L/14 Orth.

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  • CMSgt
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    Update

    Just realized the I left off

    Petz & Lorenz
    Screw back zinc
    Screw back buntmetal
    Pin back Buntmetal partial veins
    Pin back Buntmetal without veins

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  • CMSgt
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    Updated List A/O Sept 16 2014

    Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
    Winkler just sold a 107 marked 2nd class Spange ... not sure if it is good though ... not mentioned in the list ???

    Douglas
    This is a fake and I informed him.

    New updated list:

    EKI SPANGES<O</O
    <O</O
    EK1EK1........
    Early Style:<O</O


    unmarked possibly JunckerPin Back

    L/57 Boerger Pin Back & screw back
    unmarked possibly Maybauer Pin Back <O
    <O</O
    Second Style:<O</O

    L/10? DESCHLER(only seen the box)<O

    L/11 DEUMERscrew back, PB, & L/11 marked 800
    L/12 JUNCKERPin Back & Screw back
    <OL/13 MEYBAUER
    L/15 SCHICKLE Pin Back &
    Screw Back
    <OL/16 S & L Buntmetal & Zinc <O
    L/17 Hermann <OWernstein Pin Back <O
    L/18 MAYER no-veins <O
    long-veins
    short veins
    <OL/18 Schickle made
    L/54 Schauerte
    & Hohfeld Veins
    L/53 HYMANN Pin Back
    Screw back
    L/56 FUNCKE Pin Back
    L/57 Boerger Screw back Zinc single disc marked
    Pin Back Zinc marked
    Screw back BM two disc unmarked
    Pin Back BM marked
    unmarked unknown #1

    <O
    INTERMEDIATE
    <O
    unmarked Petz & Lorenz Pin Back BM <O
    screw back Zinc <O

    SPANGE<O
    <OEK2
    Early Style:


    Juncker Thick Vein MARKED L/12

    Thin Vein <O
    unmarked Boerger 4 prong(corner) <O

    4 prong (center) <O
    4 prong (round)
    2 prong
    W/O tail feathers<O
    unmarked Deumer<O
    unmarked 'intermediate'
    <Ounknown Maybauer <O
    <O
    Second Style:

    PRINZEN:<O


    Deumer two prongs

    <Ofour prongs
    unm L/15 two prong <O
    four prong <O
    L/16 TWO PRONG<O</O
    FOUR PRONG
    <Ounknown #2 <O

    FULL SIZE:<O


    L/11

    L/11 small mark
    <OJuncker Full vein (zinc) <O
    Half vein
    L/13 segment clawZinc <O
    segment claw Buntmetal
    smooth claw<O
    loops <O
    L/14
    L/15 Two Prong <O
    Four Prong<O
    L/16 Four Prong <O
    Two Prong
    L/17 (same die as L/13)

    L/18 no-veins <O

    Veins
    L/53 no-veins <O

    veins
    <OL/56 Veins <O
    no-veins <O
    Zinc
    L/57 Flat pins <O
    Round pins <O

    111unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) <O

    55 Hammer & Sohne
    Last edited by CMSgt; 09-16-2014, 08:58 PM.

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  • CMSgt
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    Prinzen

    Prinzen spanges

    Deumer two prongs and <O</Ofour prongs<O</O</O
    Schickle two prong and <O</Ofour prong <O</O
    <O</OS&L TWO PRONG and FOUR PRONG

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  • Douglas 5
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    Winkler just sold a 107 marked 2nd class Spange ... not sure if it is good though ... not mentioned in the list ???

    Douglas
    Last edited by Douglas 5; 05-06-2014, 01:32 PM. Reason: Spelling

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  • Bob Hritz
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    You can add L/57 1st Class Screwback in the second pattern to the list.

    Bob Hritz

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  • tinmantis
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    mini update (re: EK2L/56):


    EK1..................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer

    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)('no-vein', 'half-veined', and 'full-veined' dies) Petz+Lorenz

    second style:
    L/10? (only seen the box)
    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-veins' die)
    L/12 (+screwback)
    L/13
    L/15 (+screwback)
    L/16
    L/17 (almost same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-veins' + 'long-veins' / 'short veins' dies)
    L/52 (marked 900)
    L/54 (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
    L/56
    unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
    see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

    EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
    early Juncker
    intermediate?
    L/11
    L/16 (+screwback)
    L/18 (and screwback)
    numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


    EK2.....................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vein'? + 'thin vein' dies)
    unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, veined die.
    see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

    second style:

    prinzen:
    L/11
    unmarked possibly S+L?
    unmarked unknown #1
    unmarked possibly L/15?

    full size:
    L/11 (veined and no-vein dies)
    L/12 ('full vein' + 'half veined' dies)
    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
    L/15 (2 different date dies)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
    L/53 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
    L/56 (+'no-veins' L/56 mm'd die)
    L/57 (+marked 800)
    L/59? (only seen the box)
    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vein' + 'neck-vein' die)
    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
    unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

    regards
    jon

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  • George Stimson
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    Thank you!

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  • tinmantis
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    yet another update:


    EK1..................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer

    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)('no-vein', 'half-veined', and 'full-veined' dies) Petz+Lorenz

    second style:
    L/10? (only seen the box)
    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-veins' die)
    L/12 (+screwback)
    L/13
    L/15 (+screwback)
    L/16
    L/17 (almost same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-veins' + 'long-veins' / 'short veins' dies)
    L/52 (marked 900)
    L/54 (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
    L/56
    unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
    see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

    EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
    early Juncker
    intermediate?
    L/11
    L/16 (+screwback)
    L/18 (and screwback)
    numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


    EK2.....................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vein'? + 'thin vein' dies)
    unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, veined die.
    see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

    second style:

    prinzen:
    L/11
    unmarked possibly S+L?
    unmarked unknown #1
    unmarked possibly L/15?

    full size:
    L/11 (veined and no-vein dies)
    L/12 ('full vein' + 'half veined' dies)
    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
    L/15 (2 different date dies)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
    L/53 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
    L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-veins' L/56 mm'd die)
    L/57 (+marked 800)
    L/59? (only seen the box)
    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vein' + 'neck-vein' die)
    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
    unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

    regards
    jon

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  • kaaatinaz
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    Good work! Could it be possible to post he pictures of all or at least most of the spanges here? Or maybe just links to threads with pictures? If we all do som efforts with it so would this list be more informative. What do you think?

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  • william15
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    Spange opinions

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  • tinmantis
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    another update:
    EK1..................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer

    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)('no-vein', 'half-veined', and 'full-veined' dies) Petz+Lorenz

    second style:
    L/10? (only seen the box)
    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
    L/12 (+screwback)
    L/13
    L/15 (+screwback)
    L/16
    L/17 (almost same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
    L/52 (marked 900)
    L/54 (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
    L/56
    unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
    see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

    EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
    early Juncker
    intermediate?
    L/11
    L/16 (+screwback)
    L/18 (and screwback)
    numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


    EK2.....................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
    unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
    see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

    second style:

    prinzen:
    L/11
    unmarked possibly S+L?
    unmarked unknown #1
    unmarked possibly L/15?

    full size:
    L/11
    L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
    L/15 (2 different date dies)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
    L/57 (+marked 800)
    L/59? (only seen the box)
    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
    unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

    regards
    jon

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