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    Hi
    I'm asked this question many times, so I really should finally write it in a thread so I can refer inquiring members to it (instead of regularly typing it in PMs!)

    I must stress that this is my OWN list.
    Not in any books, and is a result of my own research. Question marks indicate more research needed.

    IMO these are the ONLY existing authentic spangen

    But please try to add to it, or discredit it


    EK1..................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer?

    second style:
    L/10? (only seen the box)
    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die?)
    L/12? (+screwback)
    L/13
    L/15 (+screwback)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
    L/53
    L/56
    unmarked unknown #1


    EK2.....................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
    unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die. see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

    second style:

    prinzen:
    unmarked possibly Deumer
    unmarked possibly S+L?
    unmarked unknown #1
    unmarked possibly L/15?

    full size:
    L/11
    L/12? ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
    L/15 (2 different date dies)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
    L/57
    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

    regards
    jon
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    #2
    This is a nice reference to have. Perhaps someone with administrative abilities on this website could make it into a "pinned" thread so all can easily find it?



    Originally posted by tinmantis View Post
    Hi
    I'm asked this question many times, so I really should finally write it in a thread so I can refer inquiring members to it (instead of regularly typing it in PMs!)

    I must stress that this is my OWN list.
    Not in any books, and is a result of my own research. Question marks indicate more research needed.

    IMO these are the ONLY existing authentic spangen

    But please try to add to it, or discredit it


    EK1..................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)

    second style:
    L/10? (only seen the box)
    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?)
    L/12 (+screwback)
    L/13
    L/15 (+screwback)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
    L/56
    unmarked unknown #1


    EK2.....................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger
    unmarked possibly Deumer
    unmarked 'intermediate'

    second style:

    prinzen:
    unmarked possibly Deumer
    unmarked unknown #1
    unmarked unknown #2

    full size:
    L/11
    L/12? ('fat vien' + 'thin vien' dies)
    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
    L/14?
    L/15 (+ '2prong' die)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/56 (+'no-viens' die?)
    L/57
    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye)
    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

    regards
    jon
    WAF Association Member #17483 - OVMS Member #10077 -
    Collecting Iron Crosses 1st and 2nd Class -- 1914/1939/1957.

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      #3
      Originally posted by jt327gir View Post
      Perhaps someone with administrative abilities on this website could make it into a "pinned" thread so all can easily find it?
      I can but only dream of the Honor of The Pin...

      regards
      jon

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        #4
        THANK YOU, jon!

        Robert

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          #5
          Hi Jon

          Really great work

          Now you start working on a book about the Spange...please

          /Flemming

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            #6
            Spange

            Jon,

            Thank you for your work. This will really help those of us who collect the Spanges. Jim
            My word is my honor and my bond. CMSgt, USAF Ret.

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              #7
              Hi, I used to just edit this post when minor additions were known
              but the edit option doesn't work anymore, so I've 'replied' instead...
              just to keep this post updated for reference


              EK1..................

              early style:
              unmarked possibly Juncker
              unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
              unmarked possibly Maybauer

              unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer?

              second style:
              L/10? (only seen the box)
              L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die?)
              L/12 (+screwback)
              L/13
              L/15 (+screwback)
              L/16
              L/17 (same die as L/13)
              L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
              L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
              L/56
              unmarked unknown #1


              EK2.....................

              early style:
              unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
              unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die. see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
              unmarked possibly Maybauer
              unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

              second style:

              prinzen:
              unmarked possibly Deumer
              unmarked possibly S+L?
              unmarked unknown #1
              unmarked possibly L/15?

              full size:
              L/11
              L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
              L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
              L/15 (2 different date dies)
              L/16
              L/17 (same die as L/13)
              L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
              L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
              L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
              L/57
              unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
              unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

              unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

              regards
              jon

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                #8
                another update:

                EK1..................

                early style:
                unmarked possibly Juncker
                unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
                unmarked possibly Maybauer

                unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

                second style:
                L/10? (only seen the box)
                L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
                L/12 (+screwback)
                L/13
                L/15 (+screwback)
                L/16
                L/17 (same die as L/13)
                L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
                L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
                L/56
                unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
                see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

                EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
                early Juncker
                intermediate?
                L/11
                L/16 (+screwback)
                L/18 (and screwback)
                L/52?
                numerous Jeweller joined creations


                EK2.....................

                early style:
                unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
                unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
                see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
                unmarked possibly Maybauer
                unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

                second style:

                prinzen:
                unmarked possibly Deumer
                unmarked possibly S+L?
                unmarked unknown #1
                unmarked possibly L/15?

                full size:
                L/11
                L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
                L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
                L/15 (2 different date dies)
                L/16
                L/17 (same die as L/13)
                L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
                L/57
                L/59? (only seen the box)
                unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
                unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

                unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

                regards
                jon

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                  #9
                  Awesome overview. Thanks for sharing this work!

                  Regards, Wim
                  Freedom is not for Free

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                    #10
                    another update:

                    EK1..................

                    early style:
                    unmarked possibly Juncker
                    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
                    unmarked possibly Maybauer

                    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

                    second style:
                    L/10? (only seen the box)
                    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
                    L/12 (+screwback)
                    L/13
                    L/15 (+screwback)
                    L/16
                    L/17 (same die as L/13)
                    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
                    L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
                    L/56
                    unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
                    see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

                    EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
                    early Juncker
                    intermediate?
                    L/11
                    L/16 (+screwback)
                    L/18 (and screwback)
                    L/52?
                    numerous Jeweller joined creations


                    EK2.....................

                    early style:
                    unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
                    unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
                    see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
                    unmarked possibly Maybauer
                    unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

                    second style:

                    prinzen:
                    unmarked possibly Deumer
                    unmarked possibly S+L?
                    unmarked unknown #1
                    unmarked possibly L/15?

                    full size:
                    L/11
                    L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
                    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
                    L/15 (2 different date dies)
                    L/16
                    L/17 (same die as L/13)
                    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                    L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                    L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
                    L/57
                    L/59? (only seen the box)
                    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
                    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

                    unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

                    regards
                    jon

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                      #11
                      Great information Jon!

                      I guess I never really realized until I read this post, no Spange were ever marked with the Prasidialkanzlei numbers...never really put 2 and 2 together on that. Very cool. Thanks for sharing!


                      Ryan
                      Collecting 1870 through TR era EKs, specifically Godet, Juncker and AWS.

                      "Not driblets but mass!" -- Col-Gen Heinz Wilhelm Guderian

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                        #12
                        Pinned it is!
                        George

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tinmantis View Post
                          I can but only dream of the Honor of The Pin...
                          regards
                          jon
                          It seems dreams can come true on the WAF .
                          Best regards,
                          Streptile

                          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                            #14

                            pinned at last!

                            another update:
                            EK1..................

                            early style:
                            unmarked possibly Juncker
                            unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
                            unmarked possibly Maybauer

                            unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

                            second style:
                            L/10? (only seen the box)
                            L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
                            L/12 (+screwback)
                            L/13
                            L/15 (+screwback)
                            L/16
                            L/17 (same die as L/13)
                            L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
                            L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
                            L/56
                            unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
                            see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

                            EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
                            early Juncker
                            intermediate?
                            L/11
                            L/16 (+screwback)
                            L/18 (and screwback)
                            L/52?
                            numerous Jeweller joined creations


                            EK2.....................

                            early style:
                            unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
                            unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
                            see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
                            unmarked possibly Maybauer
                            unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

                            second style:

                            prinzen:
                            unmarked possibly Deumer
                            unmarked possibly S+L?
                            unmarked unknown #1
                            unmarked possibly L/15?

                            full size:
                            L/11
                            L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
                            L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
                            L/15 (2 different date dies)
                            L/16
                            L/17 (same die as L/13)
                            L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                            L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                            L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
                            L/57
                            L/59? (only seen the box)
                            unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
                            unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

                            unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

                            regards
                            jon

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                              #15
                              another update:
                              EK1..................

                              early style:
                              unmarked possibly Juncker
                              unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
                              unmarked possibly Maybauer

                              unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

                              second style:
                              L/10? (only seen the box)
                              L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
                              L/12 (+screwback)
                              L/13
                              L/15 (+screwback)
                              L/16
                              L/17 (same die as L/13)
                              L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
                              L/52 (marked 900)
                              L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
                              L/56
                              unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
                              see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

                              EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
                              early Juncker
                              intermediate?
                              L/11
                              L/16 (+screwback)
                              L/18 (and screwback)
                              numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


                              EK2.....................

                              early style:
                              unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
                              unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
                              see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
                              unmarked possibly Maybauer
                              unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

                              second style:

                              prinzen:
                              unmarked possibly Deumer
                              unmarked possibly S+L?
                              unmarked unknown #1
                              unmarked possibly L/15?

                              full size:
                              L/11
                              L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
                              L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
                              L/15 (2 different date dies)
                              L/16
                              L/17 (same die as L/13)
                              L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                              L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
                              L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
                              L/57 (+marked 800)
                              L/59? (only seen the box)
                              unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
                              unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
                              unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

                              regards
                              jon

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