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    #16
    another update:
    EK1..................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker
    unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer

    unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

    second style:
    L/10? (only seen the box)
    L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
    L/12 (+screwback)
    L/13
    L/15 (+screwback)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
    L/52 (marked 900)
    L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
    L/56
    unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
    see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

    EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
    early Juncker
    intermediate?
    L/11
    L/16 (+screwback)
    L/18 (and screwback)
    numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


    EK2.....................

    early style:
    unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
    unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
    see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
    unmarked possibly Maybauer
    unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

    second style:

    prinzen:
    L/11
    unmarked possibly S+L?
    unmarked unknown #1
    unmarked possibly L/15?

    full size:
    L/11
    L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
    L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
    L/15 (2 different date dies)
    L/16
    L/17 (same die as L/13)
    L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
    L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
    L/57 (+marked 800)
    L/59? (only seen the box)
    unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
    unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
    unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

    regards
    jon

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      #17
      another update:
      EK1..................

      early style:
      unmarked possibly Juncker
      unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
      unmarked possibly Maybauer

      unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)('no-vein', 'half-veined', and 'full-veined' dies) Petz+Lorenz

      second style:
      L/10? (only seen the box)
      L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
      L/12 (+screwback)
      L/13
      L/15 (+screwback)
      L/16
      L/17 (almost same die as L/13)
      L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
      L/52 (marked 900)
      L/54 (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
      L/56
      unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
      see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

      EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
      early Juncker
      intermediate?
      L/11
      L/16 (+screwback)
      L/18 (and screwback)
      numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


      EK2.....................

      early style:
      unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
      unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
      see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
      unmarked possibly Maybauer
      unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

      second style:

      prinzen:
      L/11
      unmarked possibly S+L?
      unmarked unknown #1
      unmarked possibly L/15?

      full size:
      L/11
      L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
      L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
      L/15 (2 different date dies)
      L/16
      L/17 (same die as L/13)
      L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
      L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
      L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
      L/57 (+marked 800)
      L/59? (only seen the box)
      unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
      unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
      unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

      regards
      jon

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        #18
        Spange opinions

        1

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          #19
          Good work! Could it be possible to post he pictures of all or at least most of the spanges here? Or maybe just links to threads with pictures? If we all do som efforts with it so would this list be more informative. What do you think?

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            #20
            yet another update:


            EK1..................

            early style:
            unmarked possibly Juncker
            unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
            unmarked possibly Maybauer

            unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)('no-vein', 'half-veined', and 'full-veined' dies) Petz+Lorenz

            second style:
            L/10? (only seen the box)
            L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-veins' die)
            L/12 (+screwback)
            L/13
            L/15 (+screwback)
            L/16
            L/17 (almost same die as L/13)
            L/18 ('no-veins' + 'long-veins' / 'short veins' dies)
            L/52 (marked 900)
            L/54 (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
            L/56
            unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
            see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

            EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
            early Juncker
            intermediate?
            L/11
            L/16 (+screwback)
            L/18 (and screwback)
            numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


            EK2.....................

            early style:
            unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vein'? + 'thin vein' dies)
            unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, veined die.
            see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
            unmarked possibly Maybauer
            unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

            second style:

            prinzen:
            L/11
            unmarked possibly S+L?
            unmarked unknown #1
            unmarked possibly L/15?

            full size:
            L/11 (veined and no-vein dies)
            L/12 ('full vein' + 'half veined' dies)
            L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
            L/15 (2 different date dies)
            L/16
            L/17 (same die as L/13)
            L/18 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
            L/53 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
            L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-veins' L/56 mm'd die)
            L/57 (+marked 800)
            L/59? (only seen the box)
            unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vein' + 'neck-vein' die)
            unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
            unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

            regards
            jon

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              #21
              Thank you!
              George

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                #22
                mini update (re: EK2L/56):


                EK1..................

                early style:
                unmarked possibly Juncker
                unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
                unmarked possibly Maybauer

                unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)('no-vein', 'half-veined', and 'full-veined' dies) Petz+Lorenz

                second style:
                L/10? (only seen the box)
                L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-veins' die)
                L/12 (+screwback)
                L/13
                L/15 (+screwback)
                L/16
                L/17 (almost same die as L/13)
                L/18 ('no-veins' + 'long-veins' / 'short veins' dies)
                L/52 (marked 900)
                L/54 (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
                L/56
                unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
                see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

                EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
                early Juncker
                intermediate?
                L/11
                L/16 (+screwback)
                L/18 (and screwback)
                numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


                EK2.....................

                early style:
                unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vein'? + 'thin vein' dies)
                unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, veined die.
                see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
                unmarked possibly Maybauer
                unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

                second style:

                prinzen:
                L/11
                unmarked possibly S+L?
                unmarked unknown #1
                unmarked possibly L/15?

                full size:
                L/11 (veined and no-vein dies)
                L/12 ('full vein' + 'half veined' dies)
                L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
                L/15 (2 different date dies)
                L/16
                L/17 (same die as L/13)
                L/18 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
                L/53 ('no-veins' + 'veins' die)
                L/56 (+'no-veins' L/56 mm'd die)
                L/57 (+marked 800)
                L/59? (only seen the box)
                unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vein' + 'neck-vein' die)
                unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
                unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

                regards
                jon

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                  #23
                  You can add L/57 1st Class Screwback in the second pattern to the list.

                  Bob Hritz
                  In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                  Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                    #24
                    Winkler just sold a 107 marked 2nd class Spange ... not sure if it is good though ... not mentioned in the list ???

                    Douglas
                    Last edited by Douglas 5; 05-06-2014, 12:32 PM. Reason: Spelling

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                      #25
                      Prinzen

                      Prinzen spanges

                      Deumer two prongs and <O</Ofour prongs<O</O</O
                      Schickle two prong and <O</Ofour prong <O</O
                      <O</OS&L TWO PRONG and FOUR PRONG
                      My word is my honor and my bond. CMSgt, USAF Ret.

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                        #26

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                          #27

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                            #28
                            Updated List A/O Sept 16 2014

                            Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
                            Winkler just sold a 107 marked 2nd class Spange ... not sure if it is good though ... not mentioned in the list ???

                            Douglas
                            This is a fake and I informed him.

                            New updated list:

                            EKI SPANGES<O</O
                            <O</O
                            EK1EK1........
                            Early Style:<O</O


                            unmarked possibly JunckerPin Back

                            L/57 Boerger Pin Back & screw back
                            unmarked possibly Maybauer Pin Back <O
                            <O</O
                            Second Style:<O</O

                            L/10? DESCHLER(only seen the box)<O

                            L/11 DEUMERscrew back, PB, & L/11 marked 800
                            L/12 JUNCKERPin Back & Screw back
                            <OL/13 MEYBAUER
                            L/15 SCHICKLE Pin Back &
                            Screw Back
                            <OL/16 S & L Buntmetal & Zinc <O
                            L/17 Hermann <OWernstein Pin Back <O
                            L/18 MAYER no-veins <O
                            long-veins
                            short veins
                            <OL/18 Schickle made
                            L/54 Schauerte
                            & Hohfeld Veins
                            L/53 HYMANN Pin Back
                            Screw back
                            L/56 FUNCKE Pin Back
                            L/57 Boerger Screw back Zinc single disc marked
                            Pin Back Zinc marked
                            Screw back BM two disc unmarked
                            Pin Back BM marked
                            unmarked unknown #1

                            <O
                            INTERMEDIATE
                            <O
                            unmarked Petz & Lorenz Pin Back BM <O
                            screw back Zinc <O

                            SPANGE<O
                            <OEK2
                            Early Style:


                            Juncker Thick Vein MARKED L/12

                            Thin Vein <O
                            unmarked Boerger 4 prong(corner) <O

                            4 prong (center) <O
                            4 prong (round)
                            2 prong
                            W/O tail feathers<O
                            unmarked Deumer<O
                            unmarked 'intermediate'
                            <Ounknown Maybauer <O
                            <O
                            Second Style:

                            PRINZEN:<O


                            Deumer two prongs

                            <Ofour prongs
                            unm L/15 two prong <O
                            four prong <O
                            L/16 TWO PRONG<O</O
                            FOUR PRONG
                            <Ounknown #2 <O

                            FULL SIZE:<O


                            L/11

                            L/11 small mark
                            <OJuncker Full vein (zinc) <O
                            Half vein
                            L/13 segment clawZinc <O
                            segment claw Buntmetal
                            smooth claw<O
                            loops <O
                            L/14
                            L/15 Two Prong <O
                            Four Prong<O
                            L/16 Four Prong <O
                            Two Prong
                            L/17 (same die as L/13)

                            L/18 no-veins <O

                            Veins
                            L/53 no-veins <O

                            veins
                            <OL/56 Veins <O
                            no-veins <O
                            Zinc
                            L/57 Flat pins <O
                            Round pins <O

                            111unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) <O

                            55 Hammer & Sohne
                            Last edited by CMSgt; 09-16-2014, 07:58 PM.
                            My word is my honor and my bond. CMSgt, USAF Ret.

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                              #29
                              Update

                              Just realized the I left off

                              Petz & Lorenz
                              Screw back zinc
                              Screw back buntmetal
                              Pin back Buntmetal partial veins
                              Pin back Buntmetal without veins
                              My word is my honor and my bond. CMSgt, USAF Ret.

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                                #30
                                L/14

                                EKI spange L/14 Orth.
                                My word is my honor and my bond. CMSgt, USAF Ret.

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