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  • George Stimson
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    This is really an informational thread as opposed to one for discussion of pieces, so I'm closing it.
    Merdock, would you please post your question about your cross in a new thread by itself? Thanks!

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  • merdock
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    Hi ,
    Help needed with this cross appears to have a dipping 3 but not the soval frame ? were all dipping 3's post war.
    Thanks Merdock
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  • CMSgt
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    Ekii

    Peter nice write up. I just received my Souval EKII with envelope. The maker is stamped on the front side of the ring. I also read your Floch article and you do one outstanding job of explaining how to tell the difference. Thank you, Jim

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  • merdock
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  • merdock
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    Hi,
    Confused on this subject i posted a Kc a number of years ago that came from a vet that brought it back in 1949,at the time the forum said it was a Souval but after looking at this thread it looks different on the frame not have the same details ,so what is it.
    Merdock
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  • Stahlhelm
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    Peter:

    Thanks for the excellent article! That's more specific, precise information than I've ever seen in any book. Reading the article has answered loads of questions I had and other questions I hadn't even thought of yet. With this, I was also able to successfully authenticate a possible purchase I was considering.

    Thanks again for providing such an excellent resource for collectors!

    Chris

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  • U-Boot Kapitan
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    Wartime Souval EKs

    How can you positively identify a wartime made Souval EK as opposed to a post war made one?

    Jay

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  • Grossnicklaus
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    The photo and discussion of the back of the suppension ring has allayed my fears of one of my own EK II's condition and authenticity. This is an outstanding contribution to collecting Iron Crosses, and is a good example of why I have joined this site. Many thanks for your article.

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  • Porsche
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    and the rear.................
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  • Porsche
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    Hi all,
    I've had one of my EK2's, an unmarked, magnetic, unpainted (Iron core?) and non-frosted, for years and never bothered to work out the maker . Now I've read this thread, I recognised some of the characteristics and dug out the Cross. Low and behold, it looks like an unmarked Souval .

    Cheers,

    Neil
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  • Thomas H
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    Hi John,

    I'm sorry to say that this is really a Floch

    Front and back both indicate that it's a EK made by Floch, although there could be some small differences in Floch pieces (I don't know, but believe the finding you wrote down), 90%+ will be the some. I know the "famous" hinge catch setup of Floch, but I don't always know directly if it's a Floch. The front takes away all the doubt I could have. I don't have the see the back if I saw the front of this cross first.

    The low date and the kind of numbers used and the overall look (some kind of rust on the core where the beading is) tells me right away that it's bad.

    I hope this helps you.

    Best regards, Thomas

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  • John Pepera
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    IK 1 c

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    IK 1 b

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    IK 1 a

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