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    #61
    And? What those links should say?

    My books:


    - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
    - THE SS TK RING
    - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
    - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
    - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

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      #62
      Originally posted by Antonio Scapini View Post
      And? What those links should say?
      According to these reports, I came to the conclusion that you know what happened to Ort's machines.

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        #63
        We know the Orth Krim.
        We know Souval bought the same die (possibly from Orth but we can't be 100% sure of; I didn't write "maybe" or other details, since it was not useful to the discussion).
        But we don't know if Orth bought dies from other makers or if he made other new...
        No proofs about.
        For sure Souval used the same die Orth used for Krimshild. All the rest is speculation.

        Yes, the link of the trimming signs is good, and we can say they are "attributable" to Orth (the same is for Deumer and Juncker shields, we can say "attributable to", but we can't know if they really made them or not; Deumer in his sample boards - this is the reason why we attribute the Deumer shields to Deumer - used badges of other makers, and this MUST ALWAYS be keep in consideration, because he could have done it for the shields too!)

        Again: you did an excellent work, this is out of doubt!
        Last edited by Antonio Scapini; 12-05-2017, 05:34 AM.

        My books:


        - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
        - THE SS TK RING
        - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
        - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
        - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

        and more!


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          #64
          I think we should end this discussion for the moment as I have the feeling we are going in circles.

          Железный, you did excellent research work and we now can definite link all three shields to manufacturer Orth or at least the machinery as used by Orth. Therefore it will be logical to refer these shields as “attributed” to Orth in the future.

          Antonio is right that there is no definite and 100% proof that the 2 shields without the makers mark were indeed made by Orth. But without the makers mark I think the evidence as shown in this thread is the next best thing.

          I think this is an excellent thread and proofs that even after 75 years new discoveries can be made.

          Thank you all, and especially Железный, for sharing your conclusions and for contributing to this thread.

          Kr
          Pascal

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            #65
            Thank you for all your opinions!

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              #66
              This has been an extremely interesting thread; well done gents!

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                #67
                The shield without a jumper on the shoulders has the same presser, but I do not see a defect on the pin ...
                Orth simultaneously stamped two types of type? What opinions?



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                  #68
                  Hi guys,
                  same FO Kuban Shield whit "different" back plate? What do you think?

                  Regards.


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