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    #16
    Originally posted by langemarck View Post
    very interesting read and a very very nice helmet BTW

    Thanks for showing interest Langemarck IMHO its a super helmet and one that i will enjoy for some time

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      #17
      Hi Dragnet

      Thanks for showing that. Now that I've seen the page, I am sure that the identification is wrong. I'm pretty sure those helmets are all Wehrregiment München.

      Here's the armbadge for Wehrregiment München.
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        #18
        Now that is very interesting, thanks for posting the arm badge, appear to be the same colours

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          #19
          bolets58 - is it known which regiments/battalions/brigades made up Wehrreginment Munchen? I'd imagine they were absorbed into the Reichswehr. I took a quick look at Georg Tessin's Order of Battle but came up empty... I'll need to take a closer look in the evening.

          Thanks for sharing the helmet!
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            #20
            Originally posted by mchap View Post
            bolets58 - is it known which regiments/battalions/brigades made up Wehrreginment Munchen? I'd imagine they were absorbed into the Reichswehr. I took a quick look at Georg Tessin's Order of Battle but came up empty... I'll need to take a closer look in the evening.

            Thanks for sharing the helmet!

            I think this is the correct evolution...

            Remnants of Königlich Bayerisches 10. Infanterie-Regiment „König Ludwig“ formed Sicherheits-Kompanie „Bergen“ in March 1919, which then became 12th Company, Wehrregiment München on May 25, 1919. I don't know who formed the other companies, yet. I need to do some digging.

            Together with Sicherheits-Kompanien „Besch“, „Schneider“ and „Schreyer and Volkswehr-Kompanie Stahl, Wehrregiment München became III. Battalion, Reichswehr Infantry Regiment 48. in June 1919.

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              #21
              I also think that the two helmets with shields shown on the top and bottom of the pages were likely not Freikorps, but at the very least vorläufiges Reichswehr (Provisional Army), worn between June 30 and September 30, 2019 and probably also worn beyond that by Übergangsheer (Transitional Army) until the final formation of the Reichswehr in January, 1921.

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                #22
                Thanks for the adding the Wehrregiment Munchen order battle Brian!

                I agree with your painted shield assessment as well, Reichswehr instead of Friekorps. I wonder where the author was getting his information from....
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                  #23
                  I thought these might be of interest for the topic at hand. Taken at the excellent WWI exhibition at Bayerisches Armeemuseum - Reduit Tilly past weekend, they seem to confirm the Einwohnerwehr München attribution made in this thread.
                  Kind regards,
                  Sandro
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                  Looking for personal items of German, Austrian and Italian commanders of the WW I Isonzo and Trentino fronts. Also looking for the Ehrenpokal and other items belonging to Hauptmann Werner Lucas, JG 3.

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                    #24
                    Sandro, very nice helmet with insignia. Thanks for showing. Mike
                    Author of Under Arms for the Kaiser; Shoulder Insignia of the Imperial German Army's Regiments, 1871-1918.

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                      #25
                      Pleasure Mike. The museum itself is presently part closed, and as such was a bit disappointing in comparison to my last visit there, some 15 years ago. But the WWI exhibition at Reduit Tilly well made up for that.
                      Best,
                      Sandro
                      Looking for personal items of German, Austrian and Italian commanders of the WW I Isonzo and Trentino fronts. Also looking for the Ehrenpokal and other items belonging to Hauptmann Werner Lucas, JG 3.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by GdC26 View Post
                        I thought these might be of interest for the topic at hand. Taken at the excellent WWI exhibition at Bayerisches Armeemuseum - Reduit Tilly past weekend, they seem to confirm the Einwohnerwehr München attribution made in this thread.
                        Kind regards,
                        Sandro
                        Museum's have been known to make mistakes. Freikorps information still has gaps because many of the archives were destroyed in 1945. While the city colors for Munich are black and yellow, the colors of Einwohnerwehr Bayern were blue and white and the colors of Einwohnerwehr München armshield were blue and silver. So until a photo turns up of an EW München member wearing a similar helmet, I'm sticking with my belief that these helmets originated with Wehrregiment München.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
                          Museum's have been known to make mistakes. Freikorps information still has gaps because many of the archives were destroyed in 1945. While the city colors for Munich are black and yellow, the colors of Einwohnerwehr Bayern were blue and white and the colors of Einwohnerwehr München armshield were blue and silver. So until a photo turns up of an EW München member wearing a similar helmet, I'm sticking with my belief that these helmets originated with Wehrregiment München.
                          That of course is your right, but if the overwhelming consensus is Einwohnerwehr, then perhaps .... Anyway, I have no horse in this game, I just wanted to add another piece of factual data to the thread (and perhaps suggest that anyone with strong views either side of the debate write to the Museum to learn what they base their attribution on? (Curators at) museums make mistakes, true, but they also tend to base themselves on factual info. Who knows, they may even have a pic of the helmet in wear .....).
                          Kind regards,
                          Sandro
                          Looking for personal items of German, Austrian and Italian commanders of the WW I Isonzo and Trentino fronts. Also looking for the Ehrenpokal and other items belonging to Hauptmann Werner Lucas, JG 3.

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                            #28
                            Good to see another Wehrregiment Munchen helmet, even if the museum lists it incorrectly. Thanks for posting it!

                            WR Munchen used its own distinct colors, badge and documentation... this is an important distinction if one is to take FK era research and collecting seriously.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by mchap View Post
                              Good to see another Wehrregiment Munchen helmet, even if the museum lists it incorrectly. Thanks for posting it!

                              WR Munchen used its own distinct colors, badge and documentation... this is an important distinction if one is to take FK era research and collecting seriously.
                              I believe the EW Muenchen wore a helmet with a blue and white shield like the one in the re-enactor photo from the military museum in Stammheim.
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
                                I believe the EW Muenchen wore a helmet with a blue and white shield like the one in the re-enactor photo from the military museum in Stammheim.
                                Great Munich helmet and a pleasure to read your comments BOLEWTS. I found another Reichswehr helmet in bavaria too (please open the link )...nobody was able to help me so far but maybe with your experience you have seen an example of a Ritter von Epp helmet before.

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                                Thanks in advance

                                Hagen

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