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    Prussian Pickelhaube P.R. 30

    Just wanted to share this one, as it is my first ever helmet of this type. Came from a 50+ years old collection and looks untouched with original chinstrap.
    There was also few gasmasks with it - but as You Guys know they are all sold
    hope You like it !

    30 P.R. should be: http://genwiki.genealogy.net/PB_30

    or maybe 30 Rekrutendepot Pionier Bataillon which should be a part of 30. Pionier Regiment anyway
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    #2
    few more pics.

    cool thing about this one is also the size - 58 - thats big for a pickelhaube I believe
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      #3
      Mike,

      To my knowledge, the Engineer (Pioniere) Battalions wore the same helmet as Infantry Troops, but the hardware was "white-copper".

      I have an identical M15 Prussian J.R. 30 as yours pictured above, with same hard to decipher markings. If you like, I don't mind posting pictures of it.

      Chuck

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        #4
        I think this is a standard M15 pickelhaube for an infantry regiment.
        Pionier units were never larger than battalion size; no regiments.

        Bob Shoaf
        Last edited by Robert Shoaf; 07-29-2019, 04:52 PM. Reason: spelling

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          #5
          Originally posted by Robert Shoaf View Post
          I think this is a standard M15 pickelhaube for an infantry regiment.
          Pionier units were never larger than battalion size; no regiments.

          Bob Shoaf
          Bob, its clearly stamped P.R.30 - also follow the link I attached - it shows even a plate for Pionier Regiment 30 dedicated to all killed during the war.
          also this:
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            #6
            I don't see it clearly marked P.R. 30. Can you post a picture of the marking upright, not sideways please?

            Thank you,
            Chuck

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              #7
              similar markings...
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                #8
                Nice helmets

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                  #9
                  Chuck !! here is the stamps
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                    #10
                    Of course there were pioneer regiments. Not only this one, but the Garde Res.Pion.Rgt., the 35th and 36th Pionier (Gas) Regiments.

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                      #11
                      Appreciate the additional pictures Mike, thank you. It is clearly stamped P.R. 30, however; your chart in post #5 clearly reads, "Rekrutendepot Pionier Bataillon". I have seen these stamped P.B. 30, and if I can find the pictures I will post them. Either way, an excellent helmet.

                      Chip, I would like to see your reference in regards to the existence of Pioneer Regiment 30, maybe I will learn something new:

                      Prussian 30th (4th Rhenish) Infantry "Count Werder" Regiment

                      Germany - First World War

                      Imperial German Army pioneers (Pioniere) were regarded as a separate combat arm trained in construction and the demolition of fortifications, but they were often used as specialist infantry, serving the role of combat engineers.[24]

                      One battalion was assigned to each Corps.
                      • The Guard Pioneer Battalion 1. (6 companies, each with 20 large and 18 small flame-throwers)
                      • The Guard Pioneer Battalion 2.
                      • The Guard Pioneer Battalion 3.
                      • The Guard Reserve Pioneer Battalion – created from reservists who had been civilian firemen, the battalion was issued with experimental flame-throwers
                      • 1st Bavarian Pioneer Battalion, First Bavarian Division (12 destruction squads)
                      • 2nd Bavarian Pioneer Battalion

                      Prussian Army pioneer battalions:
                      • 1 Prussian Pioneer Battalion of the Guards – 3 Field companies, one Reserve company
                      • 12 Prussian Pioneer Battalions of the Line (18 officers, 495 men and 6 other people)
                      o 2nd Pioneer Battalion at Stettin
                      o 4th Pioneer Battalion at Magdeburg
                      • Saxon Pioneer Battalion

                      Thank you,
                      Chuck

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                        #12
                        Charlie,

                        I can't post pictures here. Send me your email address via private message and I will forward the information. If you just want to read it yourself, here is a link.

                        Read the section under "Formationsgeschichte".

                        http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/PB_30

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