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Then and Now: 10 June 1944...Oradour-sur-Glane/My Visit .

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  • Tom B
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    Great place ! Really enjoyed my visit there also. Tom

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  • N.C. Wyeth
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    We [my Dad, the Wife, and I] were just at the site, back in early September . . . and noticed something strange. When going through the Museum/Visitor Center adjacent to the village, I noticed that of all the German Officers mentioned - I found only the name of Adolf Diekmann being misspelled. If I am not mistaken - in only the few places it is written . . . it is spelled, "Dickman". For us who's native language is English, that spelling could bring a few chuckles . . . but I was wondering - could this spelling error be intentional?

    In our journey, we also travelled to view the burial site of Diekmann . . . and it was surprising to us, how so few that were at the cemetery that day actually recognized the name. We even found some Frenchmen who had never heard it before. They were all well aware of the action at Oradour . . . but had no knowledge for the name, Adolf Diekmann.

    I am just curious . . . would anyone know why the name was misspelled at the Oradour Visitor Center?
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  • JanC
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    Fantastic!

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  • BPA-Paul
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    Some interesting photo's from the air....


    Oradour 5a.jpg

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  • BPA-Paul
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    Originally posted by ironcross13 View Post
    was there a book on this to get the before pics form?
    Im not sure what book your referring to for photo's ?.. but this is a good start with plenty of info and photos which you can get from the museum.

    book.JPG

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  • ironcross13
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    was there a book on this to get the before pics form?

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  • Neil B
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    I remember the picture of the car from the World at War series.
    Very poignant.

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  • Jean-Loup
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    "in that area the 'Marquis' (communists) had been operating !"

    Your post shows your lack of knowleage. The word is maquis, firstly, not marquis. And maquisards came from all political tendencies. The term maquis normaly refers to a group of armed resistance members living in nature as a small military unit, as opposed to resistance members living in cities or leading normal lives while participating in illegal activities.

    JL

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  • Fred S
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    Originally posted by herkules View Post
    Hallo Fred,

    Quoting :


    ' Lies, falses infos, revisionnism.

    You forgot to mention : 'political correctness'

    If that is all you offer as the result of your 'scientific work' .... ?

    I'm sorry though that I wrote 'resistance' ...

    in that area the 'Marquis' (communists) had been operating !

    Wolf
    Wolf,

    No political correctness: Facts, only facts, I don't need a scientific work here as the job have already been done by searchers but maybe you should try as what you've wrote and describe as "depth research results" is close to be a fairy tale and is based on revisionist stories who try to tell "look, the ss soldiers had to do it", it wasn't their fault"

    None "missing Sturmbannfuehrer was found in the oven of a bakery": sturmbannführer kampfe was executed after Oradour's massacre and his body is still missing.
    30 years ago, his RK was still in possession of one of the resistant involved in his capture.


    "lots of ammunition / explosives and weapons had been found.." This is the version of one Der Führer Rgt officer but he wasn't in the village when it happened and the story popped up long time after the war...The soldiers involved in the massacre never talked about that, even during their trial.

    "soldiers that were involved were trialed by a French Court..
    Although sentenced to death all of them had been released
    shortly afterwards... reason so far unknown."

    False: 14 men form Elsass were judged, only one sentenced to death because he was volunteer (Uscha Boos), 13 sentenced to jail.Those 13 were released because they were french and the french government wanted to reunite all the french citizens after the end of the war.Boos spent some time in jail and was ejected from France later, still for franco-french reconciliation.

    "fierce but short fighting started." None of the waffen SS soldiers involved mentionned a fight nor resistance in the village.

    Maquis (Not Marquis) stand for all resistance forces in France, communist or not.
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  • herkules
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    Hallo Fred,

    Quoting :


    ' Lies, falses infos, revisionnism.

    You forgot to mention : 'political correctness'

    If that is all you offer as the result of your 'scientific work' .... ?

    I'm sorry though that I wrote 'resistance' ...

    in that area the 'Marquis' (communists) had been operating !

    Wolf

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  • herkules
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    Hallo Fred,

    Quoting :


    ' Lies, falses infos, revisionnism.

    You forgot to mention : 'political correctness'

    If that is all you offer as the result of your 'scientific work' .... ?

    I'm sorry though that I wrote 'resistance' ...

    in that area the 'Marquis' (communists) had been operating !

    Wolf

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  • rittervomhuf
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    many thanks for these detailed pictures.....
    a location to be visited...of course

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  • alexanderautogr
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    Please don't forget the massacre at Kalavryta, Greece - my father's home town.

    In early December 1943, the German Army's 117th Jäger Division began a mission named Unternehmen Kalavryta (Operation Kalavryta), intending to encircle Greek Resistance fighters in the mountainous area surrounding Kalavryta. During the operation, 78 German soldiers, who had been taken prisoner by the guerillas in October, were executed by their captors. The commander of the German division, General Karl von Le Suire reacted with harsh and massive reprisal operations across the region. He personally ordered the "severest measures"—the killing of the male population of Kalavryta—on 10 December 1943.

    Operation Kalavryta was mounted from Patras and Aigion on the Gulf of Corinth and from near Tripolis in central Peloponnese. All "Battle-Groups" were aimed at Kalavryta. Wehrmacht troops burnt villages and monasteries and shot civilians on their way. When they reached the town they locked all women and children in the local school and marched all males 12 and older to a hill just overlooking the town. There, the German troops machine-gunned them. There were only 13 male survivors. Over 500 died at Kalavryta. Survivors stated that when the Germans machine-gunned the crowd, they had been covered by the dead when they fell. When the Germans went through again to finish off those still alive, some thus escaped the coup-de-grace. The women and children managed to free themselves from the flaming school, some say after an Austrian soldier took pity on them and let them escape, while the rest of the town was set ablaze. The following day the Nazi troops burnt down the Agia Lavra monastery, a landmark of the Greek War of Independence.

    In total, nearly 700 civilians were killed during the reprisals of Operation Kalavryta. Twenty-eight communities—towns, villages, monasteries and settlements—were destroyed. In Kalavryta itself about 1,000 houses were looted and burned and more than 2,000 livestock seized by the Germans.





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