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Old 05-01-2005, 12:12 PM   #1
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Hello All,
Anyone know anything about the 5th don cossack cavalry regiment cross? Common badge? Junk or otherwise? Robin Lumsden's book has a drawing of one,but not a picture. Saw one for sale for $59.00 this weekend. Please help.
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Old 05-01-2005, 12:24 PM   #2
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Mark.

I've never seen one of these that I would consider original.

They were supposed to have been made for wear by the 5th Don Cossacks before they were entitled to receive German combat awards.

I've seen them in aluminium with brass pins, which most collectors accept as fakes, and in aluminium with steel pins, which some think are original, and also in enamel. I don't like any of them.

I remember back about 1980 I saw boxes of fakes of these crosses for sale as copies by an English dealer. They were all aluminium with steel pins and a painted obverse. I've often seen these since then being offered as original crosses.

I've never seen a photo of such crosses being worn during the war.

This cross falls into the same category as the Lorient Shield etc..........believed to have been authorised but no-one has yet seen one with cast iron provenance.

If I were you, I'd save my money on this one.
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Old 05-01-2005, 12:28 PM   #3
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Thank you Robin !!
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Mark.

I've never seen one of these that I would consider original.

They were supposed to have been made for wear by the 5th Don Cossacks before they were entitled to receive German combat awards.

I've seen them in aluminium with brass pins, which most collectors accept as fakes, and in aluminium with steel pins, which some think are original, and also in enamel. I don't like any of them.

I remember back about 1980 I saw boxes of fakes of these crosses for sale as copies by an English dealer. They were all aluminium with steel pins and a painted obverse. I've often seen these since then being offered as original crosses.

I've never seen a photo of such crosses being worn during the war.

This cross falls into the same category as the Lorient Shield etc..........believed to have been authorised but no-one has yet seen one with cast iron provenance.

If I were you, I'd save my money on this one.
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Old 05-01-2005, 12:37 PM   #4
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You're welcome Mark.
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Old 05-01-2005, 03:58 PM   #5
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Boy,this forum is great. Ask a question,mention a book and the author gets back to you in minutes with a reply.
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Old 05-01-2005, 04:29 PM   #6
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These cross's certainly exist as with the Young Cassak award. The Lorient shield brought in as an aside to the discusion, was awarded, Soldbucks with the entery are known. Shields withought question exist as dose the disk with the Festung Lorient placed upon them. I agree with Robin these cross's were made in England and in my experience in the mid 70's. These have a brass pin. The Serbian cross also exists and can be found.
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Old 05-01-2005, 04:54 PM   #7
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This badge,as Robin discribed,had a steel pin,with enameled obverse,and the back was stamped Munichen.
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Old 05-02-2005, 03:06 AM   #8
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I got one a couple of years ago straight from a Vets wife , he was with the military police in Austria . It was the stamped out version with the painted front , pebbled back and a steel pin . It also came with 3 Ostvolk crosses . I,ve seen 3 since 2 with brass pins 1 with steel and they didn't look the same.
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Old 05-02-2005, 07:07 AM   #9
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Grant,

Could you post pictures?
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Old 05-02-2005, 07:13 AM   #10
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Hello Mark ,

Sorry no i sold it on to Jamie Cross , he has pictures of it on his site .

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Old 05-02-2005, 09:49 AM   #11
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I'm assuming that this cross would be worn by a member of the Wehrmacht?
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Old 05-05-2005, 03:04 PM   #12
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Hi George, yes this cross was worn by Cossacks serving with the German Army. Here is a scan sent to me by a friend from a book/magazine article.


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Old 05-05-2005, 03:21 PM   #13
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Hi guys,

Scan through this thread. Gordon Williamson has an original

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=639
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Old 05-05-2005, 09:47 PM   #14
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hello all,

Any of you knows what was the criteria to be awarded with the 5th Don Cossack cross? and the Young Cossack badge?

thanks in advance!
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Old 05-06-2005, 04:38 AM   #15
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One of our fellow members, here in the UK, has two examples of this award, both original. One even has the owner's name scratched on the reverse in cyrillic. Perhaps he will see the thread and post them for us.

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