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Old 07-17-2018, 03:42 PM   #1
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Default Invaluable.com Censoring Auction Lots

Those of you using proxy bidding sites should be aware that invaluable.com, perhaps the largest of all such sites, a month ago introduced new "Marketing Standards" which will directly affect all collectors of Third Reich memorabilia using their bidding service.

To quote those "Marketing Standards" directly:

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"Hate groups/Nazi memorabilia

Catalogs may not contain any items promoting or commemorating groups with views of hatred, violence, racial, religious, or sexual intolerance.

Catalogs may not contain any media identified as Nazi propaganda or that otherwise promote hatred or racial supremacy including historic and current items.

Catalogs may not contain any items that bears a swastika.

Catalogs may not contain any Nazi-related items, regardless of whether historical or reproduction, including but not limited to:

• Uniforms, uniform components, weapons, or other items that bear Nazi symbols, whether visible or covered
• Listings in which images are edited or cropped to try and hide Nazi symbols
• Items that originally had Nazi symbols that have been removed

Catalogs may not contain any items that were owned by, affiliated with, or books written by Nazi leaders including but not limited to:

• Joseph Goebbels
• Hermann Goering
• Rudolf Hess
• Reinhard Heydrich
• Heinrich Himmler
• Adolf Hitler

Catalogs may not contain any Holocaust-related items, regardless of whether historical or reproduction, including but not limited to:

• Uniforms and personal belongings of concentration camp prisoners
• Items used for Jewish identification (armbands, Star of David)
• Holocaust photos that depict dead bodies, executions, or other violent or degrading scenes
• Nazi-issued documents (passports, travel papers)

While Invaluable recognizes the historical significance of World War II and understands that some artifacts represent important periods of human history, including those plagued by great injustices, we believe these items should be preserved for study in museums and not sold on our marketplace.

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Essentially, Invaluable has adopted the eBay "blinders" approach.

We posted our sale there yesterday and discovered today that of the first 800+ lots, over 600 WERE DELETED despite the fact that they did not fit the criteria above. See https://www.invaluable.com/catalog/jetizlompy. I spoke with the president of Invaluable who told me that this ban came about as a result of events in "Charlottesville" and that "PR" had much to do with their decision. He also told us that while we sold "historic" German militaria, the ban was really aimed at ridding the site of "new" Nazi material. I have no idea what he meant.

I even mentioned that Kastenbaum and Co., respected Israeli Jewish auctioneers of historic Holocaust material, would have to be banned from his site. No use - nothing I said could sway him from his position.

So far, their competitors liveauctioneers, the-saleroom.com, icollector, bidsquare, and lotissimo have not adopted such a near-sighted policy.

We also employ liveauctioneers and will be enabling live, real-time bidding on our site...which WON'T be censored!

Many have commented to me personally that a disclaimer or informative note or advisory would have been preferable to outright censorship. Would like to hear your comments.

Bill Panagopulos/Alexander Historical Auctions
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:51 PM   #2
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Well they will be losing a lot of customers if they are going to ban anything remotely related to National Socialism.

Either auction houses that specialise in these types of items will move to their own in house auction platforms, or will move to one of their competitors as you have said.

More power to their competitors I say.

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does their ban include anything to do with Joe Stalin's regime? I doubt it
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:22 AM   #4
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Hi,

These regulations are much more restictive as on eBay. On eBay currency, coins and postage stamps of the 3rd Reich are allowed, even if they contain swastika, Hitler's portrait or other Nazi symbols.

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Old 07-18-2018, 06:01 AM   #5
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Sadly, this is indicative of the way that society is heading. 'Freedom of speech is fine, as long as you say what we want you to say'. There are more restrictions being introduced on your freedom of everyday life than were introduced in the past. Just so that certain elements of society do not get 'upset'. Today, it's all hidden under the umbrella of political correctness or health and safety. Remind you of something?
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:18 PM   #6
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does their ban include anything to do with Joe Stalin's regime? I doubt it
I spent perhaps an hour on the phone with Invaluable's director who was largely responsible for the ban.

I brought up the point that if they were going to ban Hitler and associates, swastikas, the Holocaust (why?) and related "reprehensible" material, they should also exclude:

- all Confederate Civil War material, including Robert E. Lee and T. J. Jackson letters, CSA flags, etc. due to association with slavery.
- anything related to slavery.
- notorious heads of state including Mussolini (whom they excluded from my sale, contrary to their own rules), Stalin, Lenin, Brezhnev, Uncle Ho. Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Leopold II of Belgium (African massacre), Abdul Hamid II (Armenian massacres), and so on.
- other military "murderers" including Custer, Sheridan, Forrest, etc.
- mass murderers and serial killers.

This reasoning fell on deaf ears, as did a request that a disclaimer be placed before every sale and/or lot containing "objectionable" material.

No dice.

Also included in the ban: Semi-automatic rifles, Class 3 firearms, "bump" stocks, Klan material (no matter whether historic or modern), and rhino horn.
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:36 PM   #7
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Latest follow-up with Invaluable:

They have very graciously offered to place ALL of our material back on their site...apparently for this sale only. Searching for similar material beyond the end of this month reveals NOTHING so I am quite sure that their clamp down will be complete and will exclude virtually EVERYTHING related to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

Of course, we're dismayed at the prospect of losing this excellent bidding platform, but it's their decision. It will certainly be a godsend for liveauctioneers and other competitors!
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:29 PM   #8
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It's always the same: No problems with Pol Poth or Stalin (the best buddy of Roosevelt) but a portrait of a German nurse with a swastika-badge... O my God!!!!

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Hi,

Bill, can you confirm that your own live bidding plateform will display all your items for this auction but also for the future auctions ?

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Old 07-24-2018, 05:43 PM   #10
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Hi,

Bill, can you confirm that your own live bidding plateform will display all your items for this auction but also for the future auctions ?

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Absolutely. For the amount of money we're paying for the transfer, it will or someone will be going to jail!

You'll find that it is much "friendlier" and easier to use as well.

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Absolutely. For the amount of money we're paying for the transfer, it will or someone will be going to jail!

You'll find that it is much "friendlier" and easier to use as well.

Bill
Pefect !

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