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M 38 Feldmütze of the Infanterie
Old 10-02-2016, 02:56 PM   #1
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Default M 38 Feldmütze of the Infanterie

My fellow collectors ,

let me share my newest aquisition in the headgear department with you.
The cap is in a very nice , hardly worn condition and is dated 1941.

Quite good readable also is the maker's stamp and size in the lining.

The cap was made by " Peter Küpper , Mützenfabrik , Wuppertal -Ronsdorf "
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Old 10-02-2016, 02:58 PM   #2
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Old 10-02-2016, 03:01 PM   #3
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Could you please show close-ups of the leather sweatband and grommets inside the cap?
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:39 AM   #5
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Here are the pics ....
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Old 10-03-2016, 01:42 AM   #6
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The leather sweatband...
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:08 AM   #7
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You have a very strange cap. The construction looks to be spot on judging from the pictures. What is really strange is the sweatband. I have never seen a EM/NCO's side cap with one. I think its why people hesitates to post their opinion.
Very interesting cap!
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:55 AM   #8
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M34 sidecap by Peter Kupper. I think a straight piece.

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Old 10-03-2016, 12:28 PM   #9
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IMO it's a reproduction, markings and grommets are wrong.
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Old 10-03-2016, 04:50 PM   #10
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IMO it's a reproduction, markings and grommets are wrong.
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The grommets look to be the early pre-war type. Such grommets usually seen on side-caps made up 1936 & 1937, sometimes later. They are magnetic, however have a gold-bright-brass coating on the reverse. In this case the reverse is rusted from being damp. They are the correct grey enamel on the outside.

This 1941 cap is a bit of a weird combination with pre-war grommets and an officer leather forehead sweatband. But I suppose theoretically possible.

Would need need to compare with more beyond doubt examples by this maker to be able to comment further,

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Old 10-04-2016, 02:09 PM   #11
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Would need need to compare with more beyond doubt examples by this maker to be able to comment further,

Chris
Here are 2 exemples of markings in 1940 dated Heer sidecaps :





The bill of the "M" changed in 1941 :

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...peter+k%FCpper

Another one from 1941 :



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Here are 2 exemples of markings in 1940 dated Heer sidecaps :

The bill of the "M" changed in 1941 :

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...peter+k%FCpper

Another one from 1941 :

Thank you for posting those derka,

well there are definite difference between the stamps you show and the stamp in the cap which started this thread. Yet the stamps you show are basically consistent in style and layout. Not a good sign unless we can find evidence that this maker used more than one type of stamp in 1941 ???

Are there other differences when compared with the cap in the link that you have provided ???

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Old 10-05-2016, 12:00 PM   #13
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Markings and grommets are the obvious differences between the sidecap subject of this thread and the two others 1941 dated Heer sidecaps.
A comparizon in hands would reveal more maybe, but i can't say for sure.
Different markings of Peter Küpper can be observed inside other types of sidecaps :

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=836534

http://www.ratisbons.com/Auctions-ar...r-a-woman.html

http://www.military-antiques-stockho...oducts_id=3513

http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat67_x.txt

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/a...9-a52101362b03
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:22 PM   #14
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Hi Gents,

I got in hand this cap at the last german show, and in hand looked like one absolutely original piece. Looks old to me.

Could we see a close-up view about the stamp?

best regards,
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Old 10-07-2016, 06:17 AM   #15
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My fellow collectors ,

i would like to thank all of you who have contributed
and have expressed their opinions.

I have to say that I feel very comfortable with this item.
A Special thank to Alex for expressing his Impressions when
he handled the cap at the Show.


Here is another try to take a pic of the stamp....
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