Austro Hungarian navy dagger original ?

[magnusmilitaria]

Hello !

I would like to get some opinion about this Austro-hungarian navy dagger model 1918. is this original dagger or ...
Thank you in advance !
Best Regards
Mark

[Rancid66]

Well known Hungary fake.

Regards
Rancid66

[magnusmilitaria]

Thanks for confirmation !
Best Regards
Mark

[amiklic1]

Usually first sign of the fake is the gold gilded coat of arms on the blade, even if there is a period which has the same, in the museum in Vienna.

Here is the confirmed original, named to a known person:
Sorry for extensive watermarking, but these are top rare and I do not want someone to use it as a reference for fraud or similar.

Just to note that almost similar piece, with different relief instead of anchor/gun barrel was used by river flotilla.

[štajerc]

Hi guys!
I have this I think it is ok.

[štajerc]

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[Schlange]

Fake.

[štajerc]

ok thanks!

[GREAKLY]

Originally Posted by magnusmilitaria

I would like to get some opinion about this Austro-hungarian navy dagger model 1918. is this original dagger or ...

Can somebody clarify what is a M 1918 Austro-Hungarian naval dagger? I thought that from 1852 and till the end Austro-Hungary used the dagger shown by amiklic1. Did they create a new model in the last year of Empire's existence?

[amiklic1]

M1918 is in fact forst model used by Kongdom of Yugoslavia. They only removed the coat of arms from the blade.
It's similar to this one:

[GREAKLY]

Originally Posted by amiklic1

M1918 is in fact forst model used by Kongdom of Yugoslavia. They only removed the coat of arms from the blade.
It's similar to this one:

Thank you for the picture. When you said "they removed" you meant Yugoslavs? So, the M 1917 (or 1918) Austrian dagger had Austrian or Austro-Hungarian coat of arms on the blade, right?

BTW, the picture you provided is of a second model Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes dagger. The first model had Yugoslavian coat of arms on the scabbard:

http://www.eu-militaria.com/?cat=44&lang=en

By any chance, do you have a picture of an actual M 1918 Austrian dagger? Because this one:

http://www.eu-militaria.com/?p=1778&lang=en

looks very much like it.

[amiklic1]

I don't have a photo. Yugoslav and KuK coats of arms are quite different.

I do not have a photo, but it's Austro-Hungarian coat of arms. I am trying to get one which still has it on the blade, but it's not easy. I have located it, and would like to buy but it's rare and the seller does not want to sell, yet.

Coat of arms is like the one on top oof the thread, only etched, not gilded. The guy has one with coat of arms removed, and one with it still present.

I'd love to have it, really, but... No photos, also.

[GREAKLY]

Originally Posted by amiklic1

I don't have a photo. Yugoslav and KuK coats of arms are quite different.

I do not have a photo, but it's Austro-Hungarian coat of arms. I am trying to get one which still has it on the blade, but it's not easy. I have located it, and would like to buy but it's rare and the seller does not want to sell, yet.

Coat of arms is like the one on top oof the thread, only etched, not gilded. The guy has one with coat of arms removed, and one with it still present.

I'd love to have it, really, but... No photos, also.

Let me put the question in a different way. If the type of dagger we discuss has no Austrian (or Austro-Hungarian) coat of arms on the blade but only the Austrian-style anchor (exactly the same like the anchor found on Austrian Naval swords and very similar to the one found on M 1853 Austrian daggers) is such dagger a M 1918 Austrian or a later Serbian/KSCS/Yugoslavian one?

The type of dagger shown in this topic (brass, with two dolphins and knot on the top) with minimal differences has been used at some point by Austrians, Hungarians, Romanians and Serbs/KSCS/Yugoslavs. Which of them was "the original"? I mean, was it Austrian M 1918, which, later, has been copied by all others, or something else? Which country was the first to invent and adopt this type?

[GREAKLY]

amiklic1, any chance you could answer my questions?

[amiklic1]

Sorry, just saw you asked it.

Austro-Hungarian naval model was the first.
Kindom of Yugoslavia used it as an early model, but there were more models of Yugoslav naval daggers.

Anchors were pretty similar.

I can post a pictures of different models, but you can find most details here
http://www.eu-militaria.com/

Best!