Oxfordshire And Buckinghamshire Light Infantry - Badge Variations.
The amalgamation of the 43rd & 52nd Foot in 1881 formed The Oxfordshire Light Infantry, in 1908 their title was changed to The Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry.
The 52nd had been the first regiment to convert to Light Infantry, the 43rd followed suit at a later date.
Of the 6 Light Infantry regiments 2 were amalgamated to form a new regiment which along with 3 others formed The Light Infantry Brigade, & the senior Light Infantry regiment, The Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire LI, was put in a The Green Jackets Brigade along with The s Royal Rifle Corps & the Rifle Brigade.
Later amalgamation on 1/1/66 saw the Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry become the 1st Battalion of the new regiment The Green Jackets, so the senior LI regiment became the senior battalion of a rifle regiment.
The cap badge was a stringed bugle without adornment such as initials etc, & made of white metal.
Other than in materials used, & the introduction of a smaller badge for wear on the beret, it remained unchanged until the regiment joined the Green Jackets brigade in 1958 & adopted that brigade’s cap badge.
The badges in my collection:
Left is the white metal stringed bugle worn until the regiment joined The Green Jackets
Brigade in 1958.K&K 658 refers.
Second from left is a brass version of the badge. Although of identical design to the Oxf & Bucks LI cap badge, this badge, in brass, was worn by the Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry as their badge.
Gaylor doesn’t include the Oxf & Bucks LI in his list of known WWI brass economy badges, but it seems likely that the regiment would have had such a badge.Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t.
Third from left is the smaller white metal beret badge, sealed on 1/4/50. K&K 2005 refers.
Right is the silver anodised version of the beret badge, sealed on 2/8/64. K&K 2005 refers.
Due to the regiment adopting the Green Jackets Brigade cap badge in 1958, it’s perhaps the case that the anodised beret badge was worn only by Territorial Army elements.
I can find no reference to any WWI brass economy, WWII plastic economy or silver anodised full size cap badge having been produced.
Up the Ox and Bucks! Up the Ox and Bucks!
Ham and Jam! Ham and Jam!
The 52nd/ Oxf & Bucks, will always be remembered for their leading the Normandy invasion and their quick capture of the Orne river bridge.
Thanks for showing these pieces Leigh. I find them quite interesting.
As a side question- as a Yank, I have always been interested in the nicknames that some of these regiments ended up with and the reasons behind those names. Perhaps we could start a thread on the nicknames?
Thanks again!
Allan
Hiya LEIGH ,
MANY ,THANKS FOR DOING THESE THREADS , They are the dogs b&*%K$ !!!
my knowledge on cap badges is basic ,so these threads have been a great help ,
spooky as it may be , last month i was round at a collectors house looking through his ` boards of badges ` .....hundreds of `em he was trying to show me just what you mean , one badge i think it was 5th Iniskillings , a castle ?? things like ` door shut /windows open , doors open ,windows shut ....... i swear if he had not of shown me in the end i would not have spotted the difference , keep `erm up , regards ,Michael.
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Originally Posted by Allan H.
Up the Ox and Bucks! Up the Ox and Bucks!
Ham and Jam! Ham and Jam!
The 52nd/ Oxf & Bucks, will always be remembered for their leading the Normandy invasion and their quick capture of the Orne river bridge.
Thanks for showing these pieces Leigh. I find them quite interesting.
As a side question- as a Yank, I have always been interested in the nicknames that some of these regiments ended up with and the reasons behind those names. Perhaps we could start a thread on the nicknames?
Thanks again!
Allan
Hiya LEIGH ,
MANY ,THANKS FOR DOING THESE THREADS , They are the dogs b&*%K$ !!!
my knowledge on cap badges is basic ,so these threads have been a great help ,
spooky as it may be , last month i was round at a collectors house looking through his ` boards of badges ` .....hundreds of `em he was trying to show me just what you mean , one badge i think it was 5th Iniskillings , a castle ?? things like ` door shut /windows open , doors open ,windows shut ....... i swear if he had not of shown me in the end i would not have spotted the difference , keep `erm up , regards ,Michael.
Ta, at the moment I'm keeping away from the minor die variations unless I've only got about one badge to show otherwise - hence the 6 x R. Warwicks badges which were all the same apart from detail too minor for most collectors to bother.
I thought I'd run through the range of other ranks cap badges showing just the more obvious & visually important manufacturers variations rather than the myriad of minor differences which are bound to occur in badges struck over decades on different dies. Different threads seem a good idea for those otherwise everything'll get confused.
I collect regular infantry below the rank of sergeant from about 1892 - 1994, so they're the ones that I'm posting at the moment rather than odds & ends of cavalry & corps.
Official authorisation was made in August 1951, to replace OXF. & BUCKS L.I. in the same colours which was authorised in April 1950. However it is possible that the OXF. & BUCKS L.I. in Golden Yellow on Rifle Green was worn without authorisation prior to 1950.
Last edited by Marc Sherriff; 08-31-2006 at 01:27 PM.
I confess as to knowing nothing about these badgers so please excuse my stupidity.............but how do you tell the difference between a WW1 brass economy issue Ox and Bucks and a Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry?
I confess as to knowing nothing about these badgers so please excuse my stupidity.............but how do you tell the difference between a WW1 brass economy issue Ox and Bucks and a Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry?
Thanks,
Steve.
As far as I'm aware you can't.
I have one (with loops) which has a manufacturers tablet on the back, so perhaps that indicates that it is less likely to be a WWI economy, and another with slider and no mm, but I'm a bit doubtful as to whether that one's genuine - it has an interesting variation on slider fitting though.
OXF.&BUCKS. Lt.INFty I know that these were worn but I have been unable to find any official reference to them. This is typical of most of the Regimental procured badges.
As far as the differnce between WW1 economy in all brass and the Sherwood yeomanry goes - the latter was in gilding metal and the former all brass (obviously) Believe me there is a differnce if you have a brass and gilding metal one them side by side. The yeo is much lighter yellow in colour even wit 80years. No plastic one was made due to the fragility nor a full sized anodised. The Officers airborne beret one was a different design with square ends and was probably a collar worn as beret. Maj howards beret of DDay fame is on display with square ends in France.
I did'nt bother to mention the brass / gilding metal issue tho' I'm usually pedantic about it (Jim's doubtful that there's any difference), as I think Kipling & King actually state "brass" rather than gilding metal for the Sherwood Rangers badge?
The Sherwoods officers badge was in gilt was'nt it? Same design & size as the standard army "trade badge" for Bugler.
Just to clarify this heretic's view on brass/gilding metal.
All gilding metals are brass, not all brasses are gilding metal. All are an alloy of copper and zinc. I believe, but have no proof (go on prove it! I hear), that Gaunt's used 10 different grades of gilding metal and brass. I have badges that vary from a distinct yellow (Loyal N. Lancs and Manch) to a rich rosy colour (Royal Sussex and West Riding) and some in between. I'm talking about bi-metal and not all brass economy.
Gilding metal is not a specific alloy of copper and zinc but is a range of brasses. I think is quite likely that 'brass' badges are in fact high zinc gilding metal, thus more yellow than a high copper gilding metal, which will be richer in colour.
I'd love to get into Gaunt's record to clarify this and a whole lot more questions but I don't see that happening this side of the black stump.
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