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Old 08-03-2012, 10:31 AM   #1
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Default Cossack uniforms:what am I seeing here?

Uniform question:
What are these WH Cossacks wearing? Black dyed combat tunics?
Their traditional ornate Cherkesska tunics were often black too...
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:32 AM   #2
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More examples. Hard to tell with B/W images! Note breast eagle partially covered with Sam Brown belt
cross strap.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:35 AM   #3
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Again...Black tunics?
Note Red Cossack trim along collar and pocket flap edges!

Compare with Russian modern contemporary image...
Same idea?
So ornate combat tunic Black dye job with added red piping? (Kuban I assume)

As a side note it's interesting to note that this Cossack unteroffizier (NCO) is wearing white or silver bordered officer's
pattern Cossack collar tabs, making the uniform even more ornate.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:37 AM   #4
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Some more...
2nd image taken in May 1945 shows a Cossack Officer with his men wearing a complete black (dark) uniform.
I see a dyed M40 tunic, right?
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:41 AM   #5
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Some more dark tunic images (black? Navy Blue?)!

This dark uniform is not a black cherkesska as it has "Der Spiess" (top sergeant) cuff stripes...
Next image shows an officer with Tsar period type boards and German officers collar litzen.
Again a very dark uniform...
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Let me start to say that the red piping to make the black/ dark blue tunic is a most interesting observation.

It gives a totally new picture in my head when seeing this bw photo.
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Let me start to say that the red piping to make the black/ dark blue tunic is a most interesting observation.

It gives a totally new picture in my head when seeing this bw photo.
Agreed! It's a well know image but if you carefully study the details it is a rather extravagant uniform with the extra piping.
No doubt it started life as a plain WH combat uniform which got the Cossack treatment!

Basically these cossacks did what they pleased (or what they could get thier hands on) and with so many regulation changes...old/new Heer + tsar period garb I guess anything is possible ,which makes these troops so colorful and interesting to study!
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Some of the images do look like black tunics but others may just be the lighting and the negative. The picture from Austria from the 9th or 10th of May is a black tunic as is the other image you took from the Schuster and Tiede book with the man in Korps Domanow. Some Imperial Cossack units e.g. Kuban and Siberia wore black tunics during the imperial era like the very healthy modern cossack that is posted.
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Some of the images do look like black tunics but others may just be the lighting and the negative. The picture from Austria from the 9th or 10th of May is a black tunic as is the other image you took from the Schuster and Tiede book with the man in Korps Domanow. Some Imperial Cossack units e.g. Kuban and Siberia wore black tunics during the imperial era like the very healthy modern cossack that is posted.
Thanks for confirming that black is indeed a possibility Johnny!

The Cossack movement (surpressed during the Socvet period) has had a big revival now post USSR.
Here an image of young cossacks dressed in black and red.
(the Germans as we know also pushed a young cossack movement with thier political viewpoints of course...)

Note again black uniforms (zippered jackets actually) with typical red pocket flap trim and collar trim piping!
and even imperial looking oval cockarde! (in Tsarist orange/Black!!!)
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Lt. General Sergei Markov, the former chief-of-staff of the south-western front, was one of the leading organizers of the Volunteer Army. Among his men he was known as "General Forwards" - always leading his troops to the front. Formed at first as an "Officers' regiment (i.e. one consisting only of officers), the regiment was known for its severe discipline and the austere behavior of its members. They abstained from women, alcohol and gambling. Considering themselves Russian crusaders, they pledged to fight to the death, a determination reflected in the black and white colors of their uniform. After Markov's death the letter "M" was added to shoulder boards, and his name was given to the regiment and, later, the entire division.

Found this text on the web. Also this drawing.
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If you actually read the book and not just look at the pictures it will tell you they wore black tunics .
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If you actually read the book and not just look at the pictures it will tell you they wore black tunics .
I'll read it again! I do recall a seciton talking about the various riding breeches colors (to include LW blue gray)
+ stripes depending on which cossack clan...not tunics but I will check
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This brings me to the unindentified jacket in this thread:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=605573
Could it be?
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I have the German edition the English one may be a little different but not much, I know they talk about black tunics in the front part and there is a color plate section and later in the book they mention the probably dying of German issue items to black etc.
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A Dutch rework for WH use and dyed black with red color cossack trim + typical straps pointed like a cossack-Osttruppen
pattern! It's definately not feuerwehr (or schuma) ! Could very well be Cossack related!!
Image repeated here!
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