Walther PP Vet Capture Rig

[Garandguy56]

Hello all,

I just picked up this Walther PP Vet Capture Rig. The gun is all matching (including the magazine) and the US soldier inscribed his name and serial number on the inside flap. How much do you think this whole thing is worth? Also, what variation is this? It looks like a 1st variation but I'm not sure.

Ray

[james m]

Your Walther is a commercial produced example(Eagle over N) made between 1940 and 1945. The holster is for a CZ 27 which, while used by the Nazis, is for a different pistol entirely. The Nazi insignia, which has been added to the holster, was probably an embellishment done by the GI who acquired it.
Jim

[JoeW]

Is that gun marked with the WaA 359 on the other side?

[Garandguy56]

There are no other marking on the left side aside from on the slide. Was holster swapping a common practice during the war because the gun has been with the holster since the capture

[Death-Ace]

I believe the Germans would switch? I used to jkjk they would remain in the holsters upon surrender but my guess is that they were laid out separate from their holsters to avoid concealment like k98s with their bolts thrown into another pile.

[phild]

I agree that it can be next to impossible in most cases with even vet acquired pistols to say for sure if the holster with the gun...even if the correct model was the one that the German(s) carried the gun in during the war....and in many case the Gun may have been in several holsters during the war as most were unit property and subject to re-issue and general changing around.

As far as I am concerned and what my experience has taught me, most all of the so-called commercial proofed pistols made during the later 1930s - 45 went to military and para military purposes......I mean those that do not have police or WaA makings as well as commercial proofing.

Most or all such guns IMO were officer owned pistols.....

It's no telling when this pistol was put with this holster but it would have been very possible for a the German to have used it this way.

[slow10ker]

I think if you go over to the P38 forum and post this PP I think you'll be told that it's a Luft issue rig. The mags for those guns were serial numbered just like yours.

The emblem on the holster was put there post war. That's a very nice rig. I'd think 1500.00 to 1750.00 would be a fair price. In Lexington Ky, anyway...

thanks for posting and please post it on the P38 forum...

jeff

[Garandguy56]

Thanks all! I posted it on the P38 forum and they said that it might have been pulled from production for a "special purpose" due to a lack of the stamp near the trigger guard on the frame. It also might have been issued to either the Luftwaffe or SS.

[Garandguy56]

Here is a picture of the inside of the slide with the numbers "112" scratched inside (the last 3 digits of the serial number). Was this a common occurrence?

[jack944]

Originally Posted by Garandguy56

Here is a picture of the inside of the slide with the numbers "112" scratched inside (the last 3 digits of the serial number). Was this a common occurrence?

Standard practice.

[nomadr]

Originally Posted by jack944

Standard practice.

Yes it was. Early PP and PPKs had the last three digits scribed on the inside of the slide until they were later stamped on the outside of the slide.

Bob

[Garandguy56]

A big mystery on this piece is the lack of a WaA359 stamp on the frame. Does anyone have any ideas?

[nomadr]

Originally Posted by Garandguy56

A big mystery on this piece is the lack of a WaA359 stamp on the frame. Does anyone have any ideas?

No Mystery at all. WaA359 was a acceptance for the German Army. So this pistol was not German Army property!

It is a commercial pistol. Its dose have the serialized magazine, But unless you have proof we will never know if it was a contract or private purchase.

Bob