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05-17-2012, 09:04 AM
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Peiper book
Hello, has anyone read Charles Whitings new book on Peiper? Is it any good?
He has already wrote a book or two on Peiper is this one any different/better?
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05-17-2012, 11:29 AM
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I thought Charles Whiting died a while ago
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05-18-2012, 02:28 PM
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Looks a good book
Must be a reprint. Here is info on the late Mr whiting, aka Leo Kessler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whiting
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05-20-2012, 12:44 PM
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Anyone else out there read this book????
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05-21-2012, 12:36 PM
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I wouldn't bother,buy Jens Westemeier's Joachim Peiper printed by Schiffer
far better read
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05-21-2012, 03:01 PM
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IMO the best book on Pieper is Agte's book. I like his style of research and first person recollections. The photos are ourstanding also.
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05-21-2012, 03:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leib1
buy Jens Westemeier's Joachim Peiper printed by Schiffer far better read 
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The book would of been far more objective if Westermeier hadn't had such an obvious 'anti Peiper' slant to his work. It is nothing short of a personal diatribe against him, with little far sighted analysis of the man as part of the events that shaped his career.
Agte's work is also not entirely objective either however, his angle is from the other side of the spectrum.
I am waiting to see if there will ever be a totally objective and balanced book published on Peiper.
Regards Richard.
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05-21-2012, 07:21 PM
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Right now it's best to read both Agte and Westemeier's book to get a more balanced view of Peiper. However, Danny Parker is working on what will hopefully be the definitive work:
http://www.dannysparker.com/history/...-jochen-peiper
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05-23-2012, 06:32 AM
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Indeed, I think many historians of the Waffen-SS are eagerly awaiting the release of this work.
Both Agte's and Westermeiers books fail on the point of objectivity in my opinion. Both have excellent photographic content, yet their respective narratives are poles apart on Peiper as a Waffen-SS Officer in World War II.
I look forward to Danny Parkers work in the hope that a balance between the 2 previous works is acheived.
Regards Richard.
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05-23-2012, 10:18 AM
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I wonder who wrote the text in the link provided by Klaus Richter...Slogans like "...brutal style of warfare..." don't augur well on the supposed objectivity of the book. I find it pretty odd statement that a man of Peiper's rank and position could actually "invent" any form of warfare...
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06-06-2012, 02:29 PM
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I would not bother with Charles Whiting's AKA Leo Kessler book SS Peiper it is an reprint of an old work from the 1970's and it is very dated.I agree with the other posters,i would buy Jens Westemeier's book its the most up to date book on the market at the moment.Patrick Agte's book is a bit of a whitewash regarding the dark aspects of Peipers career,but is worth reading as a contrast to Westemeier's book.
Another one worth a look is Michael Reynold's the Devil's Adjutant it is a biography of Peiper that focuses on Kampfgruppe Peiper in December 1944 but has a brief look at before and after the period,and its cheap too.
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Ron
Last edited by Dutto1; 06-06-2012 at 02:30 PM.
Reason: spelling
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06-13-2012, 11:56 AM
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Another one worth a look is Michael Reynold's the Devil's Adjutant it is a biography of Peiper that focuses on Kampfgruppe Peiper in December 1944 but has a brief look at before and after the period,and its cheap too. Regards Ron
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Yes, it can be obtained very cheaply at various on-line second had book dealers and e-bay etc however, I think Reynolds missed a trick here as his work is in much the same vein as Westermeir in that objectivity seems to be totally absent. Agte also failed in my opinion also and also I am looking forward to Parkers upcoming release, I am not holding my breath after reading some of his previous offerings.
I live in hope that one day a totally balanced and objective book will be written on Peiper.
Regards Richard.
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06-13-2012, 01:07 PM
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Agte's book would have been helped tremendously by proper source referencing so that the reader could also evaluate the reliability of some of the statements made in the book.
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06-13-2012, 03:03 PM
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I don't want to create a firestorm but Agte's book was well researched IMO. He used mostly first person accounts which is my style also. I want to know more what others who were around him saw, thought and expierienced. I know some of you put great trust and faith in main stream historians who IMO just restate someone else's opinion who wasn't there and back it up with some tribunal document's ect. The truth may lie inbetween both books, but I found Agtes book a better read and a good history of the LSSAH.
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