4./Jagdfliegerschule 5

[new collector]

Hi Iam looking for information on this unit during 1941 and also where I would find the victory claims made by any of its pilots.

[Gerdan]

This could be a start:

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...Gliederung.htm

http://www.ww2.dk/air/schule/jfs5.htm


Gerdan

[new collector]

hi Gerdan thanks for the information,
I have award documents to an officer who was in this unit who recieved the Iron Cross 1st Clas and 2nd Class

[hucks216]

Originally Posted by new collector

hi Gerdan thanks for the information,
I have award documents to an officer who was in this unit who recieved the Iron Cross 1st Clas and 2nd Class

What is his name?

[new collector]

Hi his name was Herbert Heck and he was an leutnant at the time he later went to Jg26 and was killed

[hucks216]

He has 4 known kills. Here is what the Kracker archive has on him...
Heck, Herbert Oblt 3/11/1909 Barmstedt
Kills: 4
2/JG-26 (Channel)
Fw 190A-2 Werk # 5303 "Black 4" (lost 7/30/42)
KIA 30 July, 1942 in aerial combat with a Spitfire of RAF No. 64 Sq. off Arques, near Verlinethun, and crashed near Samer, in his plane. Buried Bourdon Fr., 17/5/174 (Rosseels).

[Gerdan]

Could this be your guy?

Kriegsgräberstätte in Bourdon/France


Herbert Heck

Endgrablage: Block 17 Reihe 5 Grab 174


Nachname:Heck
Vorname:Herbert
Dienstgrad:Oberleutnant
Geburtsdatum:11.03.1909
Geburtsort:Barmstedt
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:30.07.1942
Todes-/Vermisstenort:Verlincthin

Gerdan

[hucks216]

The only mention he seems to get in Don Caldwell's JG 26 War Diary is in Vol 1 and just briefly mentions his loss to Spitfires.

[new collector]

yes this is the Pilot Im just trying to find out what his victories were as he is credited with 4 as already recorded, so they must be registered somewhere as he did get the EK1 and 2

[hucks216]

Originally Posted by new collector

Im just trying to find out what his victories were as he is credited with 4 as already recorded, so they must be registered somewhere as he did get the EK1 and 2

Do you know what other units he served with, or did he go straight from flying schools to JG 26 (although I didn't see any of his claims in the JG-26 book)?
This website lists some Luftwaffe claims so you might be able to find something by searching through the lists...
http://don-caldwell.we.bs/claims/tonywood.htm

[new collector]

Hi I think the unit prior to him going to was attached to JG2 the fact that he got both Iron Crosses says he must have done something.

[hucks216]

Originally Posted by new collector

...the fact that he got both Iron Crosses says he must have done something.

Not necessarily. I have a citation set (also to a JG-2 pilot) that includes the EK II dated 28th August 1940 and an EK I dated 28th October 1940 and by the awarding of the EK I he was only credited with 1 kill during the Battle Of Britain (and having compared dates in various books I think the aircraft he claimed actually made it back to base, damaged but flyable.)
I've just checked Erik Mombeeck's 'In The Skies Of France - A Chronicle Of JG-2' Vol 1 and he isn't mentioned in it but it only goes up to 1940. Volume 2 is available but as it is only in French at the moment I don't have a copy of that one.
He isn't listed in the Victories section on this site... http://www.cieldegloire.com/jg_002.php

[new collector]

hi I guess ill need to keep digging I may e-mail the guys at the Kracker files as they have him down for 4 victories so they may have the information

[hucks216]

Originally Posted by new collector

hi I guess ill need to keep digging I may e-mail the guys at the Kracker files as they have him down for 4 victories so they may have the information

You might also wish to try the 12 O'Clock High forum.

[new collector]

hi ive tried the forum. ive emailed the Kracker Archives regarding this pilot
bit of a mystery but thats collecting, i have the guys wehrpass award documents pilots lisence intrestingly he was an SS Oberststurmfuher in the Gestapo bet the guys in his squadron just loved that