Original Cholm Shield?

[RobertE]

I have never owned one of these, but know they are an expensive minefield. Is this a good one or another replica?

regards, Robert

[RobertE]

What do you think?

[Bruce Simcox]

......The images aren't clear enough, or contain enough detail, for me to make a call. If you haven't yet....read the very first pinned thread, in this forum, about the 'long m' Cholm. It's very informative.

[pantherv]

A very salty fake for me

[RobertE]

I looked through several threads, but will look again. regards, Robert

[Sammler]

This one is not right for the long m type IMHO.

Do some comparison searches here and see what you think.

[kraut72]

Sorry known fake

[RobertE]

No problem, guys, and thanks for looking.

Do the known fakes have this lump on the swastika, which the pinned thread on the long M's foot-stomps as being a key indicator of originality?

I circled it here - the lump is right where it's supposed to be.

[RobertE]

Isn't this bump supposed to be a previously hidden determiner, and the main revelation of the long M article?

As this shield has the bump, isn't that an indicator of originality?

regards, Robert

[Sammler]

Is your shield magnetic? I see no rusting with yours that often accompanies these in varying degrees. Yours almost looks zinc based form the obverse.

I can not offer you more on the flaw , possible the author of the pinned thread would . For some reason the overall detail just looks a little off for me with yours e.g. the Cholm and 1942 font.

Try doing a side by side comparison on the details and see how you feel.

[Pascal H.]

This is not an original shield.
This is a known fake which on several German shows is also sold as a copy.

I am sure this is a copy of the long "M" shield which is pinned to this forum.

When compared closely the differences are all very noticeable.

Looks like its made by the same maker as the helmet Krim fake.

Kr
Pascal

[A c h t u n g !]

Originally Posted by Pascal H.

This is not an original shield.
This is a known fake which on several German shows is also sold as a copy.

I am sure this is a copy of the long "M" shield which is pinned to this forum.

When compared closely the differences are all very noticeable.

Looks like its made by the same maker as the helmet Krim fake.

Kr
Pascal

Fake shield for sure. Perhaps a newer one with the die flaw already in place to mimic original.

[RobertE]

I couldn't find any of the new European fakes to compare this to, and if anyone remembers a thread they can direct me to with this shield, I'd appreciate it.

This type shield should be magnetic, correct?

[RobertE]

The shield is magnetic, the paper doesn't look like any replica posted, and I am not seeing the differences. I think the probability that someone struck a new replica sporting the tiny bump on the swastika is pretty low - and the bump is definitely there.

Pascal and Kraut, can you direct me to a posting where this one has been listed for discussion? If it is a well-known replica, we must have examples somewhere. I'm not challenging, but the advice to compare is sound.

I have compared it to the ones in the long-M posts. From what I can see - a magnetic shield with a flaw that is so small as to defy replication, with correct backing and no discerable differences (to me), I need some help seeing the differences.

The replica shields that Pascal and Kraut indicated are prevalent in the community should be dead-ringers for this shield. I do not want to turn away a badge (this one is not mine) that could be good, but just shown at the wrong angle.

Please show me one of these well-known replicas so I may compare it to this example. I appreciate the help, and hope this persistence is not an irritant to those trying to help.

[Pascal H.]

Hi Robert,
No problem.
I have both examples in my collection so it is easy for me to compare them.
The fake shield I bought several years ago at a German show. The seller had about a dozen of them varying from mint to artificial aged. Non them were sold to deceive as they were clearly marked as replicas.

I will post some pictures from which you can compare the original with the fake. You will also notice that the fake is same type as yours.

Kr
Pascal