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Old 04-29-2012, 11:32 AM   #256
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I suggest a new SS - subforum where people can talk trash about eachother, and NOT the items posted. I expect it to be crowded.

It will leave the main forum less populated, but hopefully we can get some constructive dialog about the items and their origins.

Perhaps "Die Kneipe"?
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:38 AM   #257
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It's so sad that a couple of people here from the forum have seen the group personally, yet noone has the guts to speak up out of fear they might loose credit with a beloved dealer they probably feel is their close friend.

I'll say it again the (rather big, 5 children) Witt family says there were NO UNIFORMS, as do the two Macher children. Period. What people might have seen from the dealer is very well done, but just not originally from the families. Obviously it cannot be.

Everything else is wishful thinking on behalf of the collectors to add a "significant" piece of history to their collections. Rather simple.

According to what I heard in the past days from German collectors who have made some research on their own, some knowing the families for many, many years, the whole issue is already pretty well known over there and hardly anyone will fall for it anymore.


The documents and photos of all groups will be extremely fabulous though!

Kai does a great job localizing these groups and purchasing them, as long as the price is o.k., of course. You have to love him for that. It's just that later he gets too over ambitous and spoils it. That's a great shame. Commercially speaking, you can make a great living off of it though.

But just what I think though and I'm sure he reads this closely or gets told by his loyal "friends" and customers.

I'm off to the country club now and will take a dip...Cheers everyone!


Exactly! The man doesn´t know when or where to stop.
Question: why?
Answer: money!
To be honest, I´m fully convinced that he despises us collectors, for some reason.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:55 AM   #258
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Dishonest dealers have a special term they use to refer to easily fooled collectors with deep pockets- Geldkuh. That I think says it all when it comes to who we are dealing with.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:55 AM   #259
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The man really knows his stuff !

You can buy exclusive and quite exotic one-off items from him with full confidence! Your thousands are well invested....
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:12 PM   #260
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I bet that field cap with the funky skull trap would bring
thousands with a fake 'WITT' nametag.

Splatter some blood on it and it's the field cap Witt wore
when torn apart by naval artillery.

Oh no, I forgot, he wore a helmet, now in the group.
Only that I don't really believe they found a helmet of Witt
still after he was killed.

Acc. to Panzer-Meyer in 'Grenadiere,' Fritz Witt did not
have a face to look at anymore and as such there was
very little left of him.

Who can possibly believe that his comrades would habe
collected this helmet or what would have been left of
it and send it back to the family? What a joke.

Anyway, the helmet now in the group this we know for
a fact from the son was given to him from a third party
about 15 years ago, upon the son's request since he was
very fond of the W-SS as such due to his father.
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:39 AM   #262
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Exactly! The man doesn´t know when or where to stop.
Question: why?
Answer: money!
To be honest, I´m fully convinced that he despises us collectors, for some reason.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:45 AM   #263
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The man really knows his stuff !

You can buy exclusive and quite exotic one-off items from him with full confidence! Your thousands are well invested....
Looks like the crap I just to make myself, by hand, as an early teenager, before I knew you could buy fakes or anything.
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my guess is the Fegelein tunic is out of "an old European collection", but who am I to speculate on what that means and who is the owner?!!
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my guess is the Fegelein tunic is out of "an old European collection", but who am I to speculate on what that means and who is the owner?!!
Yes, the Fegelein collection.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:00 AM   #266
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Dishonest dealers have a special term they use to refer to easily fooled collectors with deep pockets- Geldkuh. That I think says it all when it comes to who we are dealing with.
Money cow...ouch.
reminds me of what the organized gambling operations have as the technical term(in private) for customers for over a 100 years.
The term is actually "suckers"
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No respect from dealers to their customers. At the SOS a much loved dealer, called one of his big spending clients a " money cow". Jacques
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Yes, the Fegelein collection.
Well all I can say is the only provenance being offered by Hermann Historica is that the tunic comes from "an old European collection". If anyone else can do better, feel free to try
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How about an old European collection of parts and a good sewing machine.
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