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Old 01-18-2012, 01:18 PM   #1
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Default Himmler's School Booklet

This is at CGA for $ 2,995.- , declared as Himmler's earliest known handwriting (which it might well be!.

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/...rman+Militaria

When I first saw it I spotted I pretty obvious disconnection between the content of the booklet (quite elaborate Algebra and discussions of graphs) and the description "6. Kl."

As it is pointed out correctly in the poetic description, "6. Kl." means sixth grade and sixth grade was and is for 10 year old children. Since Himmler was in 1916 16 years old he either was extremely dumb (to be 16 years old in the 6. grade) or extremely intelligent (doing higher math in a special 6. grade). It doesn't fit.

However, further investigation (which can be done easily) shows that Himmler was at the Gymnasium in Landshut at that time and that he left that school with the Abitur in 1919. That would put him exactly in the 10th grade in 1916 and that fits with the mathematical content of the booklet.

In the Kaiser's time and up until about 1970 the classes in the Gymnasiums were named with Latin names such as Sexta, Quinta, Quarta, ... The 10th grade would be "Untersekunda" or - what was also and still is in use today - 10. Klasse.

I do not discount that in Landshut in 1916 the classes of the Humanistic German Gynmasium were counted starting from 1 again, meaning that the normal 5. Class (or Sexta) became the 1. Class - but I have never heard of such a thing and I doubt it very much, especially on a humanistic Gynamsium in Bavaria.

I also find the writing style fairly strange.! Why is the name "Himmler" written in Latin and everything else in Altdeutsch? Is it that the teacher (and everybody else ..) could easily read the (important) name?

However, I am not a specialist in hand writing. Maybe there was and is a legitimate reason to switch between Latin and German writing and also for the odd denomination of the 10. grade of the Gymnasium. After all, the Reichsheini was an oddball! character!

I hope that somebody in Germany can clarify my questions.

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Old 01-18-2012, 03:53 PM   #2
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When the architect of doom wrote the title on his workbook, did he switch to a calligraphy pen to write his name? And are there any known examples of the young architect using a calligraphy pen for his name or otherwise? Also, I'm not a document expert, but the title on the booklet gives me the feeling that it was possibly written by a person who was trying to copy Sutterlin script, as the writing doesn't seem to flow naturally. I could be wrong on that, but the signature sure does looks odd.
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Seems like the name and the (strange) grade was written with a different pen! Why did young Heinrich switch pens - if he in fact did?
I am not knowledgeable in such things and maybe others can explain why the pen thickness changed. Not that I really care. I was more curious about the 6. Grade. That is really odd!
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Old 01-19-2012, 09:53 PM   #4
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perhaps he was held back a few years ?
gossip has it he gassed the mice in 5class science and was held back .
i would wager that this historic item is as kosher as a $7 dollar bill.
razor cut pages missing ? why ?
2 types of pen ? why ?
2 types of script ? why ?
would love to here what the vendor has to say in defence of this item?
still if true ,it just goes to show ,you can miss a few yrs school and still make it to the top ,

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gossip has it he gassed the mice in 5class science and was held back .

Not appropriate
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perhaps he was held back a few years ?
gossip has it he gassed the mice in 5class science and was held back .
i would wager that this historic item is as kosher as a $7 dollar bill.
razor cut pages missing ? why ?
2 types of pen ? why ?
2 types of script ? why ?
would love to here what the vendor has to say in defence of this item?
still if true ,it just goes to show ,you can miss a few yrs school and still make it to the top ,

paul
The mice gassing quote isn't appropriate I feel
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Old 01-20-2012, 08:57 AM   #7
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I'm sure Pavel knows what he is doing....
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why was the flap gummed?
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:09 PM   #9
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gossip has it he gassed the mice in 5class science and was held back .

Not appropriate
my sincerest apologies over my insensitive and inappropriate comment , i can assure you that no mice or other vermin were injured in this post . i hope that any pain caused to your good self over this lapse of sensitivity on my part is temporary ....pavel
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my sincerest apologies over my insensitive and inappropriate comment , i can assure you that no mice or other vermin were injured in this post . i hope that any pain caused to your good self over this lapse of sensitivity on my part is temporary ....pavel
Idiotic, I suggest your holocaust humor ceases

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Perhaps I am a bit naive
But it seems via recent and old threads there is a lot
Of dubious items in this vendors past history
so I am left wondering ??
Is it because who he is , that no action is taken
Please forgive me if I speak out of turn
But in collector community forum there is plenty of posts
On sellers of dubious, perhaps fake items
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Idiotic, I suggest your holocaust humor ceases
holocaust humor ? mice ? school ? joke !!!
it was a flippant comment , a humorous remark .
taken out of context by you . i tend to have a dark sense of humor .
as the bard put it in hamlet act 3 ,scene 2 "" the lady doth protest too much , methinks""
regards and relax.....pavel
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holocaust humor ? mice ? school ? joke !!!
it was a flippant comment , a humorous remark .
taken out of context by you . i tend to have a dark sense of humor .
as the bard put it in hamlet act 3 ,scene 2 "" the lady doth protest too much , methinks""
regards and relax.....pavel
You know exactly what the point is, this is a serious thread on a serious forum for collectors, it's not a forum for schoolboy holocaust quips, it wasn't humorous
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You know exactly what the point is, this is a serious thread on a serious forum for collectors, it's not a forum for schoolboy holocaust quips, it wasn't humorous
if you take life too serious it could kill you , i regard humor as subjective .
presume we can now move on ?
on a serious note with regard to the item in question . its a joke on many levels , nothing adds up. a cut and paste fraud/fake /con , pages missing , differing scripts normal latin script and sutterlin , 2 types of pen used . HH was born in 1900 ,the book is dated feb 1916 . over 15 and still in 6th class ?. i dont think HH was upper bracket re intellect ,but could he have been that stupid ? question is are we as collectors stupid enough to accept this . in the end its just another unique historic find from a vendor noted for his ability to source items of a dubious nature ......pavel
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if you take life too serious it could kill you , i regard humor as subjective .
presume we can now move on ?
on a serious note with regard to the item in question . its a joke on many levels , nothing adds up. a cut and paste fraud/fake /con , pages missing , differing scripts normal latin script and sutterlin , 2 types of pen used . HH was born in 1900 ,the book is dated feb 1916 . over 15 and still in 6th class ?. i dont think HH was upper bracket re intellect ,but could he have been that stupid ? question is are we as collectors stupid enough to accept this . in the end its just another unique historic find from a vendor noted for his ability to source items of a dubious nature ......pavel
I agree pavel
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