I would like to open a discussion about the Souval L/58 screwback EK1. In a german forum a dispute about originality arose and an expertise was requested and received. The expertise given explains that this type of EK1 belongs at best to the 10% of questionable originals and maybe not even that. Investing money into this type of cross resembles "gambling".
At this point in time the originator of the expertise should not be important. What do you think about this statement?
This particular style core and beading has been popping up a lot lately both in pin back and screw back pieces. If Souval used these dies during the war, how would one spot wartime from post war?
Compare that one to mine. The "1" looks different. Is there a die flaw on the bead? The color is off. The arm edges look rounded when compared to mine.
What is the angle of the backplate when screwed in the EK1?
__________________ Regards, Jeff
"To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington
I agree with you, Dez. I've become very suspicious of these Souval
framed crosses of late. Just for the simple fact that there seems to
be an endless supply of them. I own one of these L/58 screwbacks,
like the one shown. However, I sure would'nt " bet the farm", that it
is original war time made. I for one would like to see the "proof" that
these L/58s' are period.
I think that anything that looks, feels, or even smells like Souval should be avoided like the plague. It's just not worth the hassle with these pieces.
I don't think the question here is about that particular cross - it is a Souval, no doubt. The question here is about ALL L/58 Souval screwbacks!
It is true, that Souval has always been doubted, but what about the several Souval frames used by other manufacturers during the war? The frame clearly was used during war time and can always be easily identified. Same applies to the core. Souval had it's L-number issued. So they didn't produce any?
So I think the question Dez raised is the core question. How would you know what was before 45 and what was made after 45?
Just to add to the mix. Last year I sold a Souval L/58 that was factory
vaulted and had a non-magnetic core. the numbers of the date were
perfectly aligned. (No low #3). I remember comparing it with my other
magnetic L/58 and noteing the difference. I believe Gordon W. once
showed on a thread, a similar non-magnetic one that I noted had correctly
aligned numbers. Maybe that thread can be searched.
Anyway that might pose another question. Are all Souvals with the "low 3"
post war? The Souval knights crosses with the 'low 3' have certainly been
condemed, as we all know.
Dangerous, dangerous. Souval angst never goes out of style, it seems.
Here is a German vet acquired Souval screwback cross. It is vaulted, has the dropping 3 and the L/58 on the screw.
L/58 Screwback's are not Original!
Linear Mode
