Klein & Quenzer EK2 - Core Type? - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

TobyR · 05-09-2011, 02:20 PM

Hi Everyone,

Can somebody please tell me whether this unmarked K&Q has the first or second type core? I've been staring at the 3 for some time but am still not sure. In fact, if somebody can give me an idiot's guide to telling the difference all the better.

Thanks for looking.

Best,
Toby.

PS Photos taken with direct flash, so not the most flattering of light.

streptile · 05-09-2011, 02:37 PM

I consider this to be their first core, but I think there are more than two.

TobyR · 05-09-2011, 03:39 PM

Thank you for your reply Trevor.

And ... if you don't mind, what exactly is meant by the "overhung 3" in the context of the type 1 core?

Best,
Toby.

streptile · 05-09-2011, 04:43 PM

The topmost horizontal stroke of the "3" in 1939 extends (or "hangs over") pretty far to the left. This is a feature of this core only, in my observation.

TobyR · 05-10-2011, 08:51 AM

Many thanks Trevor.

Best,
Toby.

Douglas 5 · 05-10-2011, 07:01 PM

A study Robert Pierce did shows 5 different cores used .

Douglas

streptile · 05-10-2011, 08:21 PM

I think some of those cores may be the same (maybe 2, 3), just photographed under different conditions. Also, K&Qs first core (and the one on Toby's cross) is not shown in that particular chart.

Wik · 05-10-2011, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streptile

I think some of those cores may be the same (maybe 2, 3), just photographed under different conditions. Also, K&Qs first core (and the one on Toby's cross) is not shown in that particular chart.

I agree. Looking at 2 and 3 they appear to be the same. The chart, also agrees though, if you scroll down it says cross 2 and 3 in the diagram are K&Qs 1st core.

So there is a mystery between what is listed here as K&Qs 1st and what Trev has considered their first.

May I ask, how old is the diagram? Is it possible that Robert made this several years ago and new information has surfaced sense that time? Very curious and interested in the outcome!

Ryan

Douglas 5 · 05-10-2011, 11:11 PM

Yes I see the 5 is incorrect . 5 crosses used ... but 4 core types . Robert suplied the pictures and I did the write up below . The chart is old ... 4 or 5 years maybe . Crosses 2 and 3 were the only ones with silver plating . Toby's core is a 1st core and to me matches 3 the closest .

Douglas

Wik · 05-11-2011, 10:11 AM

Douglas,

Have we discovered more cores, or narrowed some down, since this diagram that Robert and you worked on?

TobyR · 05-11-2011, 10:18 AM

Very interesting. I wasn't aware there were so many cores. Thanks for adding Robert's photo, Douglas.

Tony T-S · 03-14-2012, 05:15 AM

Sorry to bump this thread after so long, but I'm interesting in finding out which core this mm65 may have. I'm thinking 2/3 in Robert's comparison above. Have we found out any more information since this?

I can't post shots at present so I'll link to the EK I'm talking about

http://www.militariasales.com/produc...ebsite.htm.htm

Douglas 5 · 03-14-2012, 06:42 AM

Yes Tony ... it has the 1st core as can be seen on crosses 2 and 3 shown above .

Douglas

Tony T-S · 03-14-2012, 06:49 AM

Thanks for that. I've just bought it today, my first ever so thought I'd check about the core on this thread. As people have said, search the forum and read up before you buy stuff. Its been very helpful. Thank you all.

Exile · 04-25-2012, 06:53 AM

Hi guys.

It seemed more appropriate to post a K&Q core question in this thread rather than start a new one. I would like an opinion or two on this unmarked EKII.

Frame appears to be K&Q and I think the core is a 1st type the same as Toby's at the beginning of this thread.

Can anyone confirm I've got it right?

Thanks in advance

Matt

P.S. The cross came described as a Grossmann with a Grossmann packet -- but I ruled Grossmann out as the maker very quickly. I would be happy to be corrected!