Mine Rescue

[münster]

Originally Posted by Dietrich Maerz

Dion,

what COA? Niemann?

Dietrich

Oh God no not Detlev. In the collectors community forum thread Doggy mentions there is a COA> where it is certified a fake.

His English is not so good so let me dig up the post. I believe it was sent to DK.

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Dion

[Dietrich Maerz]

Any chance to see a scan of the COA?

Dietrich

[münster]

Maybe my mistake it was that he sent it to Thomas in DK (post 1 in collectors community). I think I did read something about a COA but I have like 20 email exchanges in front of me on the matter.

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[Dietrich Maerz]

Ok, I see.

The first two questions to answer are these IMHO: if it is a cast copy (and I am not saying it is not):

1. where and what is the original the cast was made off (did he show that?)?
2. why was it cast in Tombak, a typical die struck material?

Was that addressed in the GCA thread?

[münster]

Originally Posted by Dietrich Maerz

Ok, I see.

The first two questions to answer are these IMHO: if it is a cast copy (and I am not saying it is not):

1. where and what is the original the cast was made off (did he show that?)?
2. why was it cast in Tombak, a typical die struck material?

Was that addressed in the GCA thread?

Iam taking it that claimed its casted from an S&L which I do not believe.

Your nummer 2 question answers itself.

I will not go there to even look at the threads anymore.

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Dion

[Gregorio Torres]

Casting in tombak is not as rare as you´re telling. I don´t save pictures of fakes casted in tombak but I can show you as an example this cross made in Spain in the 50´s for Blue Division veterans.

[George Stimson]

Thanks, Gregorio.

Can anyone else show any other pieces -- either real or fake -- that are made from cast Tombak?

[Thomas Bendixen]

Hi Dietrich, thanks for showing the Deumer catalogue, it wasn't know to me so very exciting.

I have stated my researchresults based on what I assume is basic methods in this hobby. I have compared it to a ST&L because IMO Dions matches a ST&L. If you guys thinks its wrong then why not make side by side comparisions? Secondly my argument is based on quality in details, finnish and my knowlegde on how a coin is struck. Again I see no facts or commenting put forward by those who don't think my analyses are correct. I must admit that it would be a bit embarrasing if I'm all wrong in my result but thats what can happen, I will only enjoy if we together can get a step further and leave out all the acid comments by certain members and focus on research.

Cheers Thomas

[münster]

Originally Posted by Thomas Bendixen

Hi Dietrich, thanks for showing the Deumer catalogue, it wasn't know to me so very exciting.

I have stated my researchresults based on what I assume is basic methods in this hobby. I have compared it to a ST&L because IMO Dions matches a ST&L. If you guys thinks its wrong then why not make side by side comparisions? Secondly my argument is based on quality in details, finnish and my knowlegde on how a coin is struck. Again I see no facts or commenting put forward by those who don't think my analyses are correct. I must admit that it would be a bit embarrasing if I'm all wrong in my result but thats what can happen, I will only enjoy if we together can get a step further and leave out all the acid comments by certain members and focus on research.

Cheers Thomas

Hi Thomas

As always I respect your opinion and by no means do I think you disrespect mine. The money is going to be sent back to "doggy". Iam curious of 2 things:

Did I misunderstand somewhere in my correspondences that you wrote a COA on this, if Iam mistaken, please forgive me.

2nd Did you only believe S&L produced these?

I do believe there were at least 4 makers of these medailles. Let alone cast fakes in Tombak.

I was not aware also of the Deumer catalog , Iam pretty much asking if you can 100% condemn my medal as a fake?



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Dion

[Dietrich Maerz]

Originally Posted by Thomas Bendixen

Hi Dietrich, thanks for showing the Deumer catalogue, it wasn't know to me so very exciting.

That was a good one. I like your kind of humor!

[George Stimson]

Otto Schickle.

[Rose Heppler]

Could dions be similar to this bright finished one??

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...e+rescue+medal

[Jos L C]

Originally Posted by George Stimson

Thanks, Gregorio.

Can anyone else show any other pieces -- either real or fake -- that are made from cast Tombak?

Here's another tombak casting .., fake airgunner.

Jos.

[münster]

I was just talking on the phone with a friend of mine who is a chemist. Tombak when put into a form must be heated up to temperatures that is very uncontrollable. Iam not a chemist or industrial worker but he was laughing at the suggestion of reproducing medailles in tombak for profit. He told me you will not get a result like my medal that is pictured.

He works in metals and chemistry , he does not speak english , but I can translate any questions you have for him.

Lets carry this discussion on.


Now I must relAx a bit.

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Dion

[George Stimson]

Thanks, Jos!