Do you have any means to post more detailed pictures and close ups? I for one am undecided. I see many things I like, but (I think) also some details I dislike and about some things I am not sure because the pictures are not really good.
What I do find odd is the golden pin on the gold example and the overall finish.
I was under the impression that the hinge pins on these were professionally pointed and not simply clipped. If anyone else has any other comments to this extent, I'd love to hear them. If this is a mistake then let me know so that I can add that info to my medal database.
Do you have any means to post more detailed pictures and close ups? I for one am undecided. I see many things I like, but (I think) also some details I dislike and about some things I am not sure because the pictures are not really good.
What I do find odd is the golden pin on the gold example and the overall finish.
Frank,
I have posted higher resolution pics to my web site, with links below. If it would be helpfull I can reshoot certain angles (edges, hinges, etc.) that you can suggest.
Thank you, Rich
@Shane: That is certainly wrong info there definitely are blunt end pin original APBs.
@Rich: all angles and details you can imagine, please. Especially sword hilt/swaz area, snakeheads, skull. On the reverse top area above hinge. Sideshot of catch/hinge. Measurements/Weights will help as well.
As a collector of Anti-Partisan badges, I would like to add my opinion.
I fully believe that all three of your badges are original.
All of the die characteristics and die flaws appear right on.
However, I personally doubt that the finish on the Gold badge is original to the piece. I could be wrong, but it certainly does not look like the gold finish that I have seen on other gold examples, (including my own).
It reminds me of that shiny fake gold plating that you would see on something out of a gum ball machine. WW2 era German medals and badges that were gilded, typically had more of a dull orange-like tint, instead of the bright fake looking gold finish. Also, it is totally proper for the round pins to have blunt ends.
In fact, most of the round pins found on this type of badge, will not be sharpened at all, but some will be.
Usually, (if not always), the ones that have sharpened pins, will have three cut-outs behind the serpents heads, instead of two. Are you interested in selling the silver badge? If so, please E-mail me at: FleetMac11@aol.com
Thanks! Chris
As a collector of Anti-Partisan badges, I would like to add my opinion.
I fully believe that all three of your badges are original.
All of the die characteristics and die flaws appear right on.
However, I personally doubt that the finish on the Gold badge is original to the piece. I could be wrong, but it certainly does not look like the gold finish that I have seen on other gold examples, (including my own).
It reminds me of that shiny fake gold plating that you would see on something out of a gum ball machine. WW2 era German medals and badges that were gilded, typically had more of a dull orange-like tint, instead of the bright fake looking gold finish. Also, it is totally proper for the round pins to have blunt ends.
In fact, most of the round pins found on this type of badge, will not be sharpened at all, but some will be.
Usually, (if not always), the ones that have sharpened pins, will have three cut-outs behind the serpents heads, instead of two. Are you interested in selling the silver badge? If so, please E-mail me at: FleetMac11@aol.com
Thanks! Chris
Chris,
I appreciate your input, as well as EVERYONE elses, and will be getting more images posted by later tonight. These are consignment items, and the direction is to sell as a set. I've had opinions all over the board at local shows, and am hoping to get a good comfort level on originality one way or another from this forum.
If the consensus is that they are bad, I will not sell them, and will hand back to the owner with that information. If it looks good, which seems to be the direction, we will decide on a price, and be happy to give you a shot.
I am planning on taking these badges to the SOS-Louisville later this week, but if the authenticity and price is set prior... just a short couple of days though, we can make arrangements. I also have another Bronze that is very similar to the one in the set, but came from another location. http://www.wittworldwide.com/images/...rtBronze1x.jpg
It is also 100% proper for these round pins to be magnetic, or nonmagnetic.
Some were made of steel, and some were made of a bronze or brass like alloy.
Also, the hinge, the catch, and the drift pin, can be either magnetic or nonmagnetic as well. Usually, these type badges will have a combination of magnetic and nonmagnetic parts, instead of all of them being one way or the other. However, a few will have all magnetic parts.
This does not include the badge itself, as these type badges were all made of zinc or a zinc based material. Can you tell us what each badge weighs, (preferably in grams)?
Thanks! Chris
The Dimensions on all three are approximately 59mm High x 49mm Wide. I do not have a jewelers scale here, but if I have time before the Louisville Show I will get them all weighed.
Please feel free to ask any other questions that you may have.
Hi Rich,
In your first post you mention you thought these were cast. Did you mean die-struck? I thought a cast piece would have a flatter back and wouldn't show the shear marks I can see on the edge of your close-up. Or are the marks on the edge just file marks from the finishing process? I'm just asking for myself, I want to make sure I'm on the right page.
Tim
The solid back APBs were die struck, and the simi-hollow badges, (like these), were cast. The marks on the outer edge and on the back of these badges, are tooling marks that are a result of filing or a similar hand tooling process.
This is not because of die striking, because these badges were cast and that is proper for this type of badge.
Hope this helps! Chris
Anti Partisan Badge Trio
Linear Mode
