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Anniversary photo of Bavarian Leiber ?
Old 12-27-2003, 05:09 PM   #1
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Default Anniversary photo of Bavarian Leiber ?

I picked this photo up today.



As a former member of the Bundeswehr bataillon in munich which held the traditions of the ancient bavarian Leibregiment, I presume it was taken on a yearly memorial day, we called it the "Leiber-Tag". Even at my time of service back in the 80ties, on that day, there were always two or three soldiers dressed in the old uniforms, which were kept in our staff building.
But this photo is different though.
I presume it was taken in the 20ties, maybe early 30ties. These soldier are wearing the traditional uniforms, but they are wearing medal bars as well, so they probably are former soldiers of the Leibregiment, not just "actors" put in uniforms for celebration.
What do you think ?

Bars from left to right:








Is there a chance to tell by the medal bars if my theory is right ?

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Old 12-27-2003, 07:12 PM   #2
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Ho ho ho!!!!

OK, I'll give you five Euros... cash!

I'd say this is circa 1913-1914, and they are in real CENTENNIAL uniforms. (What day WAS anniversary day?)

The boy (!!!) on left could be several officers. The man in the middle doesn't seem to be in the regiment in 1913 but at far right, in 1913 is:

Otto Graf Basselet de La Rosée: born 29.1.1878 Isareck, KIA 25.9.1914 at Vermandovillers as a Hauptmann in the ILR (Lt 21.7.00, Oberlt. 25.6.10, Htn ca Sept 14). He was the second of ALL THREE brothers who were ALL killed in 1914, sons of Bavarian Chamberlain Emanuel Graf von Basselet de La Rosée (died 1916 of broken heart at loss of all three sons) and (d. 1895) Ida Freiin von Freyberg-Eisenberg. Otto left behind widow Marion Lensbach and small daughter Charlotte.


He is wearing:

Star is the Papal Order of the Holy Sepulcher- 2nd Class. The ribbon around his neck shows over his gorget, but the cross there is hidden, slipped out of view behind his medal bar.

Medal bar: Bavarian Order of Saint Michael 4 with Crown, 1905 Bavarian Army Jubilee Medal, Prussian Crown Order 4, Prussian Ölberg Cross, Austro-Hungarian Order of the Iron Crown 3rd, Porugese Order of St. Benedict of Avis-3, Spanish Military Merit Order-1st, and Turkish Medjidie Order-4th.

I should be able to find the middle officer. Babyface on the left will be tough, since there were several holders of the 1905 and Saxon Albert Order-- and he appears to be 15, although surely an Oberleutnant of about 30!!!
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Old 12-27-2003, 07:25 PM   #3
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rick how do you do it?? find all this info? do you have a ton of books or what??

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Old 12-27-2003, 07:39 PM   #4
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Yes. Scary, isn't it!

Middle guy I think will turn out to be Richard Freiherr von Falkenhausen, born 1876, KIA in 1918, IF somebody has a 1914 Bavarian MHB and can confirm that he got his Baden Záhringen Lion-Knight 2nd with Oakleaves, Prussian Red Eagle4, Saxon Albert-Knight 1st, Württemberg Friedrich-Knight 1st AND (huff puff!) Austro-Hungarian Order of the Iron Crown 3rd ALL FIVE... 1913-14! He SEEMS to be the only possible ILR officer possible with the Brunswick House Order 4th (3rd on bar) and what I take to be a Saxe-Weimar Order of the White Falcon-Knight 2nd (pre 1902) (3rd from last on bar).

"Boy" left is probably Wilhelm Graf Fugger von Glött, ALSO born 1876 (so 37-38!!!), died of wounds 1914. Not one of these officers survived the war.

But still working on these last two... only sure of Count Basselet.
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Falkenhausen
Old 12-28-2003, 03:16 AM   #5
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Rick,

here is a scan from 1914. Poor old Falkenhausen already deleted Also a picture of Hauptmann von Falkenhausen in 1914 with Oberstleutnant Franz Epp.

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Old 12-28-2003, 03:18 AM   #6
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With Epp
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Old 12-28-2003, 10:49 AM   #7
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There is only one answer--Rick L has a time machine, and when someone asks about a photo, he goes back in time and asks the men posing for a photo their names!
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Ooooo WARTIME Bavarian with B & P WAR AWARDS shown: I've never seen THAT before!!!!!!
Old 12-28-2003, 10:50 AM   #8
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Default Ooooo WARTIME Bavarian with B & P WAR AWARDS shown: I've never seen THAT before!!!!!!

You see, buckaroos and buckarettes: Ricky can "see" things even when they Are Not There, but only Glenn can VERIFY that Ricky is not, in fact, insane!

Are we GOOD or what???

Freiherr von Falkenhausen was born 11.11.1876 in Ingolstadt. Lt 3.3.97, Oberlt. 8.3.07, Hauptmann 7.3.12. Killed in action near Reims 22.6.18 in Bavarian Inf Rgt 28. He received that Bavarian MVO4X 16.11.14.

He was the son of Hauptmann aD Wilhelm Freiherr von Falkenhausen (d. 1901)and Magdalene Neuper (d. 1917). Unmarried, survived by his brother in the regiment and two sisters.
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Old 12-28-2003, 11:11 AM   #9
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Rick,

if we are assuming that the gentlemen are wearing the uniform of the currently then held rank in late 1913/early1914 then the "boy" is only a Leutnant as is shown by the one strip of Borte on the collar. I am thinking perhaps Georg Ritter und Edler von Rauscher auf Weeg who got the Saxon Albert Order in 13/14 and who was born in 1892. Killed 23 June 1916 as an Oberleutnant at Verdun.

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Old 12-28-2003, 12:23 PM   #10
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"...only a Leutnant as is shown by the one strip of Borte on the collar..."

Ahhhhha!!!! 21-22 certainly fits that 15 year old face more than 37-38! Good thing you noticed the Napoleonic uniform detail, which is beyond my ken!

I really need a Bavarian 1914!
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Old 12-28-2003, 12:26 PM   #11
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I am now pretty certain that the young officer is von Rauscher. This would appear to be a photograph of the company officers of Number 1 Company. All three of these officers: Baron von Falkenhausen, Otto Graf La Rosée and Georg von Rauscher were in the 1st Company of the Infanterie-Leibregiment in May 1914.


Here is a picture of Georg von Rauscher in 1916.



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Old 12-28-2003, 02:44 PM   #12
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He was born 7 May 1892 in Munich. After severe wounds in both 1914 and 1915, he was killed in action leading his company in an assault near Fleury on 23 June 1916. Unmarried. His parents were Generalleutnant zD (aD 27.5.14) Edwin Ritter und Edler von Rauscher auf Weeg (d. 5.4.1924) and Laura Freiin von Axter. Brother Hans survived the war.
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Old 12-29-2003, 02:53 AM   #13
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This is .. unbelievable !!

Great informations, thank You all very much.
I really didn't expect to get that precise information about those officers.
I have to tell You in a few words where I got that photo.
It was at a antique dealer in munich, who surely knows his stuff and is always asking high prices for military related items. His main subject is on books, old signatures, paper-work of every kind, old paintings and so on.
On saturday I visited him on my monthly trip to his shop.
He had a big box full of old postcards and letters and as I know that these kind of boxes are already looked through by various other collectors I didn't expect to find anything, but I had enough time and took the opportunity to look at each single postcard and letter in that box. I looked through probably a few thousand of postcards and found that photo and some other non-military but old and interesting postcards.
I bought over hundred postcards and paid 50 Euro, so this photo was 50 cents.
I also bought a photo of a soccer team in 1905 and it is very likely that 18 year old Ernst Röhm is on that photo ( I made a thread in my own forum over at GeeDeeCee about the Röhm photo).

So once again, it is always well worth to take the time to look through tons of old postcards even if they are at a dealer.
By the way, the dealer was happy that I sorted his box of old postcards a bit, a side-effect of my search and he told me that he has several more boxes like that one and asked me to come again and sort them for him. I promised I do.

For all my friends here, and especially to Rick, I wish You a happy new year.
Thanks a lot for all Your excellent informations in the past year.
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6th July 1914
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Robert,

the photograph was taken on Sunday the 6th of July 1914 during the 100th Anniversary celebrations of the Regiment's founding in 1814. The entire regiment paraded in the park at Schloß Nymphenburg with the 1st Company dressed in the uniform of 1814 under its Chief, Hauptmann Richard Freiherr von Falkenhausen.

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Old 12-29-2003, 06:34 AM   #15
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Hello Glenn,

could You be a bit more precise on the hour that photo was taken ?
I am joking of course.
Thanks a lot, that is much much more than I ever expected to hear about
that photo. Great !!
I hope someday I can return the favour that You have given me, but anyway, if You ever come to munich, be my guest for as many cold beverages as You want.

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