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The Cao - Dai debate .
Old 11-27-2009, 06:20 PM   #1
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Default The Cao - Dai debate .

I have found this "branch" of service to very interesting...however very limited in scope and research. I have only been able to find limited information concerning the history and insignia of this organization. If anyone has more information......please feel free to post the history, insignia or uniforms.

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Old 11-27-2009, 06:21 PM   #2
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Interior pic.
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:23 PM   #4
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:34 PM   #5
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Pretty awesome beret. I know that I've tried to find Cao Dai pistols but haven't had luck getting anyone who has one to part with it.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:34 PM   #6
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Cao-Đi, Ha-Hảo and Bnh-Xuyn all classified by the South VN Government as rebel organizations. However, some of them had completely defeated under 1st Republic of VN (Ng-Đnh-Diệm President Period), the remaining rebel forces had to joined the RVNAF.
Cao-Đi is a Viet's invented Religious, during the Indochine War they armed themselves to become a small army fighting for their own people.
Here's the link about the Cao-Đi religous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cao_Dai
and here's the link to other rebel forces had defeated under Diệm Period:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binh_Xuyen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_Hao
Hope it help !!!

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Old 11-27-2009, 11:26 PM   #7
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I have always found the rebel groups of SVN very interesting.

I have a 26 page booklet explaining the Cao Dai religion for foreigners that is from the Tay Ninh Holy See that a GI brought back in 1967. Its a pretty interesting religion too.
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:19 AM   #8
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You've done it now Howard. You opened the can of worms called Cao-Dai here. You will see quickly that the insignia on your beret is highly contested as to whether it is Cao Dai or early Infantry.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:09 AM   #9
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That's me Bob!

MISTER WORMS!

If I had had the rank properly translated...? Believe this beret is named to a Major.

Good to hear from ya!

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Old 11-28-2009, 09:19 AM   #10
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It is indeed a major's beret. And a wonderful one. This badge appears later than the original design, and is worn by the senior officers.

Many thing have to be posted. I am still working on this badge identification and after nearly two years, the link with the sect is getting close to nano.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:15 PM   #11
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One question .
Is it possible to date the beret just by looking at it ?
Is this makers style rare ?
Is the badge rare ?
ok 3 questions but all for the one answer .
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Early Infantry......or religious sect????

Hmmmmm.....?
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The exciting theory is that the badge is Cao Dai.

The army of the sect joined the ARVN in 1955, but the theory is that the sect member were allowed to keep their initial badge.

First question : what are the symbols of the Cao Dai sect ?
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NTS- I figured it is much better placed doing this discussion under this thread then under Hunter's beret thread.

You typed on the other thread: Even better, the guy told us that the "one dollar note" had something Cao Dai in it, since you have the eye into a triangle printed on it, the "All Seeing Eye within a triangle surrounded by a golden glory". (Well I call it Freemasonery...).

Well if you look at the badge in question, there is the pyramid / triangle right there in the main design. Then there is the sword, which is always used in symbology as a power force / army.
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quite a few of us here tonite, all following this thread.

i know that NTS has spent the last years gathering some evidence, about the cao dai. I m sure he came to a conclusion.

i have showed this insignia to ARVN vets here in germany, first of all they all served at the end of the war, they didnt have a clue what this insignia was, until i told them this could be cao dai, then suddenly they all said yes, i think i could have showed them a french foreign legion beret insignia and i would have asked them is this cao dai they would have said yes as well.

for some vets, badges are not in good memory, most of them havent seen ARVN insignias in the last 40 years, if you ask me today what beret insignia the german artillerie wears for example, i coudlnt recall the exact design, and i was in the forces only 20 years ago.
memory can play you tricks.

i think to know the exact meaning of this insignia, we have to go back to 1954-1955

this is probably the only way to know why it was and for who it was designed for.

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