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Hagal Rune possible meanings for the SS
Old 09-03-2009, 09:15 PM   #1
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Default Hagal Rune possible meanings for the SS

In trying to find info on what the Hagal rune may have meant to the SS and the SS TK ring in general and the SS Mein Kampf Box in particular...I have decided to start a small thread.
This first write up and photo have been cannibalized from my previous contribution in the SS MK box thread where I dont want to take over the thread:


I have found much on the Hagal rune with strong connections to death both in ancient times and in the last century .

Perhaps the most salient for now is a quote from Wiligut (alias Jarl Widar) text. In Moynihan. "The Secret King..." First Ed. 2001 on p. 65 of the text entitled "Runes Speak!"

The part of interest has explicated how the death rune "unites with man" and then "becomes Ha-Gal"and is so powerful, dire, and dangerous that "it was never written like Ha-Gal and the more common version of Hail was written instead".
When Man was bound to yr ( Yr rune=toten rune/death rune) then the wendhorn is proclaimed. Most importantly then see the footnotes saying this is a combination of "Life" and "Death," as it relates to man-and the "Tree of Life."

One personal note. I happen to know from research that the "Tree of Life" was sometimes known as the World Tree. The World Tree is also know as Ygg and Yggdrasil. This Yggdrasil is also known as the Horse of Odin and the Gallows tree of Odin. As the Gallows Tree ...the connotations to death are obvious...but as Odin's Horse Yggdrasil , there is another name: Sleipner...and this horse of Odin has 8 legs ------ and in poetic allusion to the 8 legs of the 4 men who act as pall bearers carring the coffin of a dead man. ( for any interested info to this effect can be found in Dr. H.R. Ellis Davidson. "Scandinavian Mythology and many others )

If this is how Wiligut described the Ha-Gal rune-, (who we all know was supposed to be the final arbiter of runes for Himmler)...I have no qualms disbelieving that the Hagal rune on the SS MK box precludes it's use as a kind of reliquary for a dead SS soldier.
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:20 PM   #2
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here is the Weitzel SS book on Family traditions.
Here an original and the decent translation of the SS Family by Barger and Ulric

I want to take a quick look at what is said about the Hagal rune in this SS document
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:35 PM   #3
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Here is the quick description as to what the Hagal rune means as published under an SS seal and funds. Also the apurported author(although there has been some questioning as to his actual authorship) : Fritz Weitzel was in correspondence with Himmler on these ideas.

The Hagal rune ..."the all surrounding", said to mean literally "I destroy through the destruction of the enemy overall peace is achieved".

Now I might conjecture that if a loyal SS man died in battle against the enemies in the attempt to achieve peace that then the Hagal rune could be applicable to being on somthing associated with the death of an SS man.

Also...subtly...."peace" in English as in German..."frieden" ... also is the word for peace...as in the peace of death.....or the rest that is found in the peace of death....My German raised relative told me so.
Also a graveyard or burial ground is called a " Friedhof"

So the Hagal rune could have been associated with the death of an SS man for 2 reasons in one here.
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This Manchecter University Press book by Dr. Elliot" RUNES:An Introduction."



Has descriptions of say over 7 well established rune alphabets and many more cross pollinated types.
looking at old English futhork Runes (of which are from the German Angles Saxons and Jutes invading tribes back in 5th Century or so, brought the runes and their pagan Germanic gods with them. Then later those Danish, Swedish and Norwegian Vikings re-invigorated both Britains rune use and thier old gods.

This page and the next while dense...basically are describing the meanings to ascribed to a rune that is by eye the Hagall rune and had at that time a phonectic value different that a German 1930's phonectic value. Words change and morph ceaselessly through time.
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This next page by Dr. Elliot is the salient one as it ascribes the meaning of "a grave" to be the most assured understanding of the use of this rune in this Anglo Saxon Old English usage.
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Old 09-03-2009, 10:02 PM   #6
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in the translation of List's "The Secret of the Runes" whose writing literally started the German Runic revival that later led to Wiligut and the SS has this to say about Hagal.

nothing new but again...destruction .
formerly explained by me as to how this could easily be a fitting rune for a dead SS man. either by fighting to death against the destruction of the enemy, or one's own destruction.
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This book from Sweden by Thomas Karlsson" UTHARK: Nightside of the Runes."

has an interesting Swedish point of view with a mind to go deep into the magic and history of the pagan runes.

Here Hagal is importantly associated with the realm of the dead "Hel" or Helheim, Nifelheim, etc.. just be aware that the Scandinavian Hel was a place of freezing cold....
and freezing and Hail(Hagal) are a perfect match.

So even as Hail...it is alluding to the realm of the dead that is a frozen place.
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A little bit more from Karlsson's book.
Hel is the goddess of the dead.

As Hagal is the symbol associated with the ancient Scandinavian goddess of the dead... and the secrets of the runes...I see the hagal rune being most fitting for a symbol of a dead SS man.

But of course, this does not mean this was how it was seen by the SS...but this book is delving into the runes in a slightly similar spirit of the German runic revivalists who then influenced the nazis, wiligut and SS
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Here is a rune occultist who fell afoul of the SS....Wiligut actually denounced him to Himmler it is said. This is Mr.Kummer's work "Heilige Runenmacht."
This translated book is of a later published condensed/slimmed down version of the same book with a slighty changed title.

While denounced in SS, Kummer was interpreting the same Runic Revival movements ideas on runes as Wiligut.

Also, I always have noticed one group always hates the group most similar to them....but I digress

So lets look at Mr Kummer's take on the Hagal rune......
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Kummer not only ascribes the World Tree(=Life Tree=Yggdrasil=the Gallows tree
and the pallbearers carrying the the coffin) but poignantly associates the Hagal rune to Walhalla.
Valhalla
The hall of the chosen slain of Odin who died valiently on the battlefield and the Valkryie picked them up.
The Chosen slain were also the entourage of Odin on his Wild Hunts(Wilde Heer) as believed in both Germany Scandinavia and Britain.
These battle proven Chosen slain or Einheriar or Oskorei are thus associated with the Hagal rune.
Now what would be less fitting as a symbol associated with a fallen SS hero? .....a gefallen Heldentruhe or Shrine might indeed have a Hagal rune proudly on it...
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Here is an interesting association found in the Kummer book:

look at the 3 runes in question.

Hagal is associated as having a special relationship with the 2 other runes that WERE used as grave markers for fallen Waffen SS men in the field and in Graveyards.....the Toten rune(yr rune, death rune) the Tyr rune.
All together with the Hagal rune.


Still this book would have been considerered heretical to Wiligut,
still worthy of thought.


None of this PROVES anything except that the Hagal rune did have appropriate association to death...and heroic death.

thank you for your time
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A great thread of collected information . I am sorry that i cannot contribute any information , i think you have covered most of the meaning for this rune. It is nice to see someone with knowledge and interest in the ancient runes with regards to the ss and there useage of the runes.
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Your not, by any chance, studying this while wearing a red silk lined Black Cape and muttering incantations whilst standing in the middle of the room surrounded by various Runes chalked on the floor???? And surrounded by candles and several DE Standards????
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Michael,

what we need is a solution to the question which intention, connotation and interpretation Wiliguth (yes, his pseudonym was Jarl Widar in HAGAL magazine!) and Himmler combined with the Hagal-Rune - nothing more and nothing less.

The only other relevant authors are the ones that gave an influence to Wiliguth - Guido von List is the important figure here since the meanings of the Runen used for decorating and creating the Ehrenring (Honour ring) are based on List´s interpretatios and are just copied by Wiliguth.

We have to take other notable scientists and authors from the Ahnenerbe into account as well as authors who published within the Nordland-Verlag.

We should not mix first hand-sources and any publications after 1945!

Otherwise please coninue!
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Michael,

Thanks for opening this thread and for your efforts.You really know your stuff.I think that the Hagal rune was mostly used in the sense of '''the all surrounding''.We all know that Himmler wanted to replace eventually the christian belief for a revised germanic religion.And the person of Jezus was transformed by the term ''Gott''.Some SS man stated on their papers to be Gott glaubig.But back to the rune................

In an article written by Wiligut he discribes the hagal rune als the combination from the death and life rune.
The hagal rune was also used on an ceremonial wooden bowl made for SS man who got married.There are some documents printed in the book about Wiligut by H-J Lange inwhich clearly the use of the hagal rune and other symbols are mentioned.

....''Unbedingt sind die beiden Schwäne und die Hagal-runen auf der Schale zu belassen.Zu vereinfachen wäre das Flechtband an der Aussenseite,also das alte Sinnbild für Ewigkeit'' ....

And here returns the combination of birth,life,marriage and death as an eternal circle.

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