Reproduction Heer Cloth

[Fred Green]

and the backside. My scanner makes the blue seem lighter than it really is on the front side.

[Fred Green]

The front of the uncut panzer.

[Fred Green]

And the reverse.

[Bond]

Hello, what is the tell on the back of the uncut panzer? Does it also feel different?
Thanks Jerrybb

[Fred Green]

Greetings Jerry,

The "Tell" on the panzer and most reproduction eagles the weave lines above the background of the eagle.The fold line. The eagle might even be made of rayon! When you rub your finger across the front or back it doesn't catch or snag like on most polyester eagles.

Fred

[Bond]

hello and thanks for this wonderful thread, though it is slimming down my collection a bit.
I'm not sure I totally understand what fred means, could someone highlight the tell for me on the photo of the panzer bird. I think it means 1 more to the repro heap. Doh!

Thanks to all involved, jerrybb

[JOHN VD HEIJDEN]

Hello Fred ,Nice eagle,s
Here is an comparison picture between the back of the panzer your posted and a real one
Do have a look ,the thread isn,t twisted like original one,s
(this information I got from Eric Mill)

[Todd Gylsen]

Originally Posted by JOHN VD HEIJDEN

Hello Fred ,Nice eagle,s
Here is an comparison picture between the back of the panzer your posted and a real one
Do have a look ,the thread isn,t twisted like original one,s
(this information I got from Eric Mill)

Is the original the top or bottom eagle in the photo?

[Bond]

IMO the bottom is the original, with its twisted threads and also no weave above the fold line, though you cant see that area on the top bird, the repro.
I hope I've got this right and if I have its because of Fred Green and the poster of those last piccies. Thanks again

[Eric Mill]

I think the twisted yarn, the production way and the sizes of the basic cloth are becomming crucial. The so called burning test WAS a nice way to test. But with the use of RAYON in fakes it became useless and can in my opinion only be used as a first line test. If it smells like plastic's ===> no good. If it smells like burned hair/paper use you knowledge about contruction ways etc. and take a close look. The problem is ===> RAYON contains mainly cellulose.

I don't buy any birds without this twisted yarn.......

Rayon is a manufactured regenerated cellulose fiber. Because it is produced from naturally occurring polymers, it is neither a truly synthetic fiber nor a natural fiber; it is a semi-synthetic fiber.^[1] Rayon is known by the names viscose rayon and art silk in the textile industry. It usually has a high lustre quality giving it a bright sheen. Rayon contains the chemical elementscarbon, hydrogen, and oxygen.

[JOHN VD HEIJDEN]

Originally Posted by Todd Gylsen

Is the original the top or bottom eagle in the photo?

Hello Todd ,the top one is an repro and the bottem one is an originall one

Also Thanks to Eric Mill ,for this nice explanation about the cloth and thread they used

Cheers again Johnny

[New kid]

correct me if I'm wrong but I would add that rayon, when burnt, generally leave a pulverable poreous black mass.

[Eric Mill]

"correct me if I'm wrong but I would add that rayon, when burnt, generally leave a pulverable poreous black mass."
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NK

Indeed a correct add on this subject. For sure.

E.

[rafaelega]

Hi all,

Somebody told me this is a fake eagle. I bought it sometime ago in a good lot then I cannot say the exact price I paid but the lot was original hauptmann shoulder boards + original infantry collar tabs + fake eagle (sold as original) per 60 euro.

This is the eagle:

[MaxxBrunn1938]

Late 70s droopy tail DAK