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Old 08-03-2008, 12:34 AM   #1
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Default Reichsbund Deutcher Jägerschaft

Hello Gentlemen,

Im looking for more infos about this Organization
I like to know the ranks and see the insignias of these ranks.
I have this informations :

Reichjägermeister - Göring
Landesjägermeister ??
Gaujägermeister ??

Maybe exist more ranks??

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Old 08-03-2008, 12:51 AM   #2
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The lowest rank was the Kreisjägermeister nominated by the Gaujägermeister

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Old 08-03-2008, 09:45 AM   #3
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This Organization Was A Civil One, Not Political. I Will Move Your Thread To The Civil And Police Forum Where You Likely Will Have More Responses
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:24 AM   #4
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Below is a related thread you may find of interest in regard to your questions:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...j%E4germeister

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Old 08-09-2008, 02:24 PM   #5
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Gerdan
I'm sure you know much more than me being from Germany but I believe in a typical jagdgau rank/office would be as follows

Landesjägermeister
Gaujägermeister
Stellvertreter
Stabsamt
Stabsjägermeister
Gaujagdrat
Ehrengericht
Kreisjägermeister

There are many other ranks and officials, please feel free to amend this list as I'm not too great on rank etc. I believe though that many of these hunting ranks/jobs were filled by high ranking forestry officials as well.

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Old 08-09-2008, 05:08 PM   #6
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Hi,

the problem is, that you must first differentiate between the "Forestry service" (professional hunters) and the "Hunting Association" (amateur hunters).

The Reichsbund "Deutsche Jägerschaft" was an organization for all people with an official hunting permission (Inhaber von Jahresjagdscheinen).

It is better, to speak about official positions/functions, not ranks in this organization.

There were adminstrations with official positions:

Reichsbund "Deutsche Jägerschaft", function Reichsjägermeister
Stabsamt, function Oberstjägermeister
An official in a territory with several "Jagdgauen" had the function Landesjägermeister
Jagdgau, function Gaujägermeister
Jagdkreis, function Kreisjägermeister
The Kreisjägermeister had to supervise the tenants and the hunter.

In Austria we can find since 1938 the function Stabsjägermeister in the adminstration "Jagdamt".

Many of these positions were filled by high ranking party officials.

"Reichsjagdrat" is not a function or a rank, it is a committee; I have never heard somewhat of "Gaujagdrat".
The "Reichsjagdrat" was made up of all Landesjägermeister, all Gaujägermeister and other important persons.
The Reichsjagdrat had advisory function for the Reichsjägermeister.

"Ehrengericht" is a special court of honour for members of the "Deutsche Jägerschaft".

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Old 08-10-2008, 03:54 PM   #7
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Hi Gary,

meanwhile Uwe did a good job and I have nothing to add. He gave perfect answers and additions.

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Old 08-11-2008, 11:02 AM   #8
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Many Thanks

As I said I'm nothing on Ranks etc, some great information there which I know I can use for the future.
The information I got was from the DJ year books.

Thanks again for the information, it's certainly a bit clearer for me now.

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Old 08-11-2008, 11:16 AM   #9
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Here's a page from one of these DJ year books, it looks as though Gaujagdrat is a committee.

Thanks once again.

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Old 08-11-2008, 11:42 AM   #10
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I hope I can take this opportunity in this thread to clarify a few difficulties I am having understanding what seems a complicated couple of associations. For many years I thought of the Forestry and Hunting Associations as seperate entities, I realised a couple years back that there was a connection between the two associations but have never quite understood it.
Please feel free to correct me as I truly want to learn as much as I can, a question
Were all Forestry personel also proffesional hunters??
I have just received a very nice deluxe DJ hirschfänger from the grandson of the original owner, in our correspondence he told me his grandfather was a Berufsjäger(proffesional hunter) and revierforster, so another question springs to mind,
If this guy was a Revierforster did he have a choice of which type of hirschfänger he could wear, either a Forestry type or a Hunting type??. Would his Rank have determined which type he was allowed to wear, would he have had a choice of either a standard fluted hunting type of a more deluxe piece or was he allowed anything he could afford at that particular time whether it be a hunting or forestry type.

This leads me to another question which I hope you guys can help me with, would he have had 2 hirschfängers, I collect Hirschfängers but know very little about who would wear them and whether or not his rank would allow him a choice of which type to wear.

Here's the hirschfänger that I found. It really does interest me if there is Rank involved in these hunting types or was it just how rich the individual was.

Many Thanks

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Old 08-11-2008, 11:46 AM   #11
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Another question related too this particular type of deluxe hirschfänger
Was this type only for Berufsjäger or could a hunter(Amatuer) be allowed to wear it also.

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Old 08-11-2008, 06:29 PM   #12
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Hi Gary,

I am not able, to answer all your questions.

First, I accept, that the lower section, Gau (Kreisjagdrat also?) hat a committee like the Reichsjägermeister, the Gaujagdrat.

Second, a "Stellvertreter" is a deputy, a second-in-command.

Third, "Were all Forestry personel also proffesional hunters?"
Yes, the "Förster"! But I think not the female typist.

Fourth, the "Hirschfänger".

Deutsche Jägerschaft DJ:
- Hirschfänger (normal version),
- Hirschfänger in Prunkausführung (your deluxe hunting cutlass in Post 10), the hunter could choose the normal one or the deluxe version,
- Ehren-Hirschfänger (Ehrengeschenk = presentation knife).

Forstverwaltung (forestry service)
- Hirschfänger with "Hirschhornschalen" (staghorn) for "Unterförster" and Aspirants, the lower ranks,
- Hirschfänger with "Elfenbeinschalen" (ivory) for "Förster" and higher ranks.

The "Ehren-Hirschfänger" of the DJ and the Hirschfänger of the forestry service have a grip with knuckle bow.

But please realize, there are no absolut binding regulations, and you can find a variety of lengths, styles and different motifs on the blade.
And there were variations in the Portepee for different ranks/functions.

LTC Thomas M. Johnson, Collectors' Handbook of W II German Daggers, makes a distinction between the Hunting Association Knife (DJ) and the Forestry Service Cutlass.

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Old 08-13-2008, 10:45 AM   #13
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Hi Uwe

Many thanks for the information on the Hunting and Forestry Associations. Perhaps when you can you could explain the difference between

Höherer Dienst, Gebobener Dienst, Einfacher Dienst and Mittlerer Dienst in relation to the forestry services. My German is terrible and I'm not understanding the differences, it seems to me to be 4 classes of Rank but I'm not sure.

Cheers, I very much liked the female typist joke, excellent.

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Old 08-13-2008, 05:57 PM   #14
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Gary,

you demand me quite a lot!

The ranking:

einfacher Dienst = lower service
mittlere Dienst = middle service
gehobener Dienst = upper service
höherer Dienst = higher service

Please see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter


Förster (with several years in schooling/training) = upper service.

Ranking:
Förster,
Revierförster or
Forstsekretär/Forstrentmeister,
Oberförster (outstanding competent foresters).

Forstmeister (with academic education) = higher service.

Ranking:
Forstmeister,
Oberforstmeister,
Landforstmeister,
Oberlandforstmeister,
Ministerialdirektor.

In the lower and middle service you find, for example, the lumberjacks, the clerks, the secretaries etc.

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Old 08-14-2008, 09:59 AM   #15
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Hi Uwe

I cannot thank you enough for these great explanations, I have for many years wondered if I would ever understand the ranking system within both the Hunting and Forestry services, it is now much clearer for me, once again many thanks.

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