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Luft "technical" headgear question
Old 06-04-2007, 08:55 AM   #1
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Attached are two photos I just picked up on eBay which I thought were pretty unique. The photos show the "technical" device worn on the breast pocket. We see a lot of these hats on Dealers websites w/the device on the visor, is there any period photographic evidence that these devices were worn on the visor?
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:05 PM   #2
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It's not a period photo, but this cap sold recently:
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Luftw...os/L08153.html
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:11 PM   #3
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never used as a cap insignia, they've been known fakes for decades. Its a breast insignia.
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:23 PM   #4
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I have heard that these are fakes but people just keep snapping them up.

I'd like to see if there is any period photgraphy of one in wear...I was told once that there was a photograph or two kicking around. I'd like to see it if so.
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:45 PM   #5
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How interesting! I am not aware of another Third Reich metal breast eagle that is held on with bendable prongs and not with a swivel pin and catch.

I remember seeing an officer hat, with the metallic eagle in cogwheel, back in the mid 1960's and wondering what it was. If this was a post-war alteration, it certainly was an early one.

Are there any photos of the GL personnel wearing any version of the visor hat?

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Old 06-04-2007, 08:50 PM   #6
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I, myself, have never seen a period photo of the insignia in wear, and as such, I have always questioned it as well. However, all the examples I have seen are prong-back, which to me, would indicate they were made for a hat, be it an m-43, visor, or whatever. I have never seen a breast badge with prongs, but then again, I am no tunic collector.

The Halcomb/Saris book (vol 1) does have a photo of a technical visor with bullion insignia on page 273. On p. 272 there is a blue-top with the metal emblem--it would have to be pretty easy to determine whether that hat originally had a standard bullion eagle on it at one time--if this was the case, I would lean towards believing they were issued.

By far, the vast majority of these I have seen for sale have all been white-tops, which would obviously be the easiest to swap out with a standard eagle.

In any event, I wouldn't pay anything more for a white-top just because it had the technical eagle (and remember, this insignia did not come out until 1941--so why so many white-tops?!)
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Old 06-06-2007, 03:59 AM   #7
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Not a photo of period wear but page 272-274 of Headgear of Hitler's Germany (Halcomb/Saris) shows three visor (one with bullion cogwheel). I also recall a photo of a known Luftwaffe guy (name escapes me - I think Udet) wearing one of these but I haven't refound the photo. Rick C.
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Old 06-06-2007, 06:06 AM   #8
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I've never believed these for visor caps, they don't make sense. Show me a period photo or 2 and I may change my mind. Until then, now way.

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They have a thread going on this org on the uniform section, and an abbreviated review is merited here for reference. Here are the hats in the Saris/Halcomb books (and we all know how good those references are, don't we Nick?!)
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Nick G thinks this is one on a Flemish collaborator's visor--looks too oval to me:
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