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Old 12-11-2005, 03:04 AM   #1
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Could You give me any information or pics about it?
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Old 12-11-2005, 04:56 AM   #2
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Hi, sorry no pics but here is all the info I have:

"The MG34/S led to the MG34/41, 1,707 of which, made in early 1942, were dispatched to the Eastern Front. To simplify manufacture and increase the cyclic rate to about 1,250 rpm, virtually every part of the original gun had been redesigned: the bolt had lugs instead of the interrupter thread, the feed arrangements were refined, and the trigger reduced to fully auto only. However, the prototype MG42 was performing well, the 34/41 was abondonded in January 1943 and the standard MG34 remained in production until the end of the war."

Taken from "Guns of the Reich" by Geroge Markham.

Hope this helps?

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Old 12-11-2005, 05:43 AM   #3
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Thanks a lot. Please, find below some pictures from Polish diggers forum. Someone in Poland has found it in the bottom of the lake or river, unfortunately uncompleted, but as I understand it's very rare - 1705 or 1707 - two sources give these different numbers.
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http://www.poszukiwanieskarbow.com/F...ic.php?t=19643
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:31 AM   #4
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Please look at these pictures of a couple of MG34/41's.
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:23 AM   #5
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What happend to this guns, did someone cut them into or so
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:52 AM   #6
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The receivers were cut by the importer to turn the guns into part sets. Had the receivers not been cut the guns would have been illegal per US law. The penalty for the possession/ ownership of an illegal machinegun is ten years in jail or a $10,000 fine plus the confiscation of the offending weapon.

Unfortunately the importer had no idea what he was cutting up.

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Old 01-27-2011, 06:44 PM   #7
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Michaelangelo...that is a labor of love, I've seen your "want ads" over the years, I have to hand it to you, that is perseverance. Awesome....Chris..
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Old 01-28-2011, 10:41 AM   #8
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Persistence is a virtue. I have also been lucky. Here are the latest pictures.

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Old 01-28-2011, 11:54 AM   #9
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Those are amazing! I am very jealous! Even if the dealer had known their rarity, would there have been any way around cutting the receivers? Where were the guns imported from? I wonder if there are any live registered mg34/41s anywhere......
I have never heard of any mg34/41s being in th UK, apart from perhaps the MoD pattern room. If i remember correctly, there was a UK collector on this forum who mentioned a few years ago that he had a Lafette 34/41, maybe you should contact him?
If you have time, I would really enjoy more pics of markings etc.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:42 PM   #10
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A lot of collectors possibly have a MG34.
But i have never seen any MG as sweet as this one + never seen a MG34s
Wonderfull to see it stripped completely.
How much would a MG like this be worth ?
Wish it was mine

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Old 01-29-2011, 05:45 AM   #11
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The Pattern Room has both the MG34S amd the MG34/41 as does the US Army Proving Grounds Museum in Aberdeen, Maryland. The one in Aberdeen is serial number 352. I have held gun 352 in my hands and partially disassembled it for pictures.

Regarding the tripod, there is a gent in northern England with two tripods for the MG34/41. If I can get him a 34/41 dummy gun he will trade me a 34/41 tripod.

The two guns were torch cut on the same table probably on the same day. I have gotten matching numbered parts for both of them in two purchases. A third purchase gave me two matching parts to the most complete gun.

I would like to have all 34S or 34/41 parts for the two guns. I have had MG34 feed trays modified to fit the 34/41 receiver and the missing lever for the feed cover could be fabricated. The top cover is the tough one. It would be ever so nice to find the matching top cover in the US. It is sitting on some collector's shelf. He just has not seen my pictures or ads yet.

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Old 01-29-2011, 06:21 AM   #12
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Hello Michaelangelo,

Yes your 34/41/S are really nice, I also feel positively jealous. Pity they weren't in Spain, as only the barrel is deactivated (according to present day law) by making 3 holes in it. The rest of the weapon is left ok. If you get a 'collector's licence' you can have them live in working condition .


Are the butt stocks same as regular MG34? are there many interchangeable parts?

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Do you know where they were imported from?
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Old 01-29-2011, 08:14 AM   #14
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The buttstocks are phenolic but different sizes and not interchangeable. Have included a picture of the MG34 buttstock and buffer compared to the MG34/41 buttstock and buffer. The 34/41 has a wider, thicker, and shorter bolt. To accomodate the bolt the receiver is wider. The top cover is wider. It was meant to fire faster so the buffer has been increased in size whcih means the buttstock must be bigger also. I happen to have a buttstock insert that would let me use the 34/41 plastic buttstock on a 34 buffer. I have no clue where it was made.

I have no idea who imported the two guns. Two of the parts came from a company in Pennsylvania and they had bought the MG34 parts inventory of a company in California called Northridge. Northridge did not know what they had. It may have been Northridge but there is no way to know. They have not answered when I have asked about this.
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Old 01-30-2011, 03:42 AM   #15
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Thanks for the pics and explanations.

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