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Old 11-28-2005, 08:39 AM   #1
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Guys, I was hoping for some opinions on this badge that just arrived. It is the smaller version. What bothers me is that NS Frauenschaft isn't in red enamel. Please take a look if you would and tell me what you think. Thanks to all. Robert
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:40 AM   #2
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Guys, I was hoping for some opinions on this badge that just arrived. It is the smaller version. What bothers me is that NS Frauenschaft isn't in red enamel. Please take a look if you would and tell me what you think. Thanks to all. Robert
Hre is the reverse. Anyone have this maker?
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:51 AM   #3
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Hi Robert,

Have you looked at it under a loupe? Is there any sign that there may have been any red in the past?

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Old 11-28-2005, 08:57 AM   #4
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I have found these pictures to compare with
http://www.urban-military.com/st87.jpg
http://www.urban-military.com/st86.jpg

The maker mark on your badge looks quite thick in comparison with this picture. And look at the last "t" on the front, it looks also diffirent.

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Old 11-28-2005, 09:12 AM   #5
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What rez did you scan it at Robert? Can you give us a blow up of some of the writing area on the front. Does it look cast to you?

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What rez did you scan it at Robert? Can you give us a blow up of some of the writing area on the front. Does it look cast to you?

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Don, I'll get back to you in a minute. Re-scanning. Robert
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:56 AM   #7
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Don, I'll get back to you in a minute. Re-scanning. Robert
I can't see any red traces at all in the lettering. I scanned at 300 rez and when I look from the side it appears that there is a line that runs all the way around the side of the badge. Here are 2 more scans. Thanks . Robert
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:17 AM   #8
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I can't see any red traces at all in the lettering. I scanned at 300 rez and when I look from the side it appears that there is a line that runs all the way around the side of the badge. Here are 2 more scans. Thanks . Robert
Here is hopefully a better shot of the writing on the front. Thanks Rik for the link. Marks do look different. Thanks.
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:21 PM   #9
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Robert,
I just looked at Kai Winkler's website and the few Frauenschaft badges he has like yours all have red lettering and the only M1/109s are lacquered. Take a look and see what you think.
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:13 AM   #10
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I just looked at Kai Winkler's website and the few Frauenschaft badges he has like yours all have red lettering and the only M1/109s are lacquered. Take a look and see what you think.
Sorry for the delay. I too have been through all my reference pictures & can't find an example without the red

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Old 11-29-2005, 08:28 AM   #11
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Sorry for the delay. I too have been through all my reference pictures & can't find an example without the red

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James, Don and Rik. Thanks for all your help. I even went so far as to show it to others I know to see if they could see any red. A life rune is easier to display to the public. There is no red. M1/109 appears only in painted version and the markings on the painted ones are a lot sharper as well. Add to that the poor soldering work and reverse finish and the conclusion is: back in an envelope and off to the post office! Thanks again. Robert
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:25 AM   #12
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Just a personal opinion but looking at a lot of other pin type badges it seems that the solder holding the plate is also a bit blobby, if you know what I mean. It hasn't been allowed to heat more and flow into the depression and make a neater job. OK its only a fairly common badge so to speak but these were all seemingly made with a bit of care. Just an idea coupled with the thickness of the RZM mark and the number, of course it could just be late manufacture...
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My best guess is that is it a cast fake made by using the painted M1/109 version as a positive 2-piece mold. Then they filled with enamel, but used all black because they were cheap / careless. That would account for the side edge seam, poor RZM mark and the blob on the back.
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Old 12-24-2005, 09:53 AM   #14
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Stephen, That makes sense. I have since mailed the badge back to the privious owner. Thanks all for your help. Merry Christmas Robert
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Old 12-25-2005, 10:12 AM   #15
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Hi Robert,

Here is one that I own.

Obverse:
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