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Old 07-07-2015, 06:16 AM   #46
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I saw this man 30 years ago, many puppets under the house, and the panther was in restoration.
He wanted to buy other tanks...
I never saw him again, I think he have a lot of money and friends.
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:10 AM   #47
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Man I am shocked this story is gaining world wide traction.
I heard about it on a local radio station today, in Perth Western Australia.....
Crazy just crazy.
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another story on the raid
Old 07-07-2015, 09:53 AM   #48
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:21 AM   #49
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Is this realy our Free Europe ore legalized theft by the state ? Since these things are seldom items to find,,,and becomming rare birds .

they should better look out for real terrorists that are more a threat to the world then us collectors who are in fact preserving history,and searching for it. Do they realize what efforts somethimes have to be made for some pieces of history ?

instead making one system for whole of Europa for demilling weapons and armory and do it neatly but why make it easy when you can play it hard,,,
i dont know a single collector in whole of Belgium and some other countrys who in fact are mobsters ore robbings banks with a flak 88 ore a fully loaded phanter they only way this man would visit if the track where one was the tankstation for gasoline,,,

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Old 07-08-2015, 05:39 AM   #50
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You would think that in the last 30 years, he would have been able to add tracks to it???
It had tracks...
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Old 07-08-2015, 06:10 AM   #51
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Here we can do a Petition against that ignoble Action of German Authorities:

http://www.change.org/p/staatsanwalt...tes-heikendorf
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Old 07-08-2015, 07:14 AM   #52
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Here is a picture from the net of what this Panther looked like when Mr Flick saved it from a scrapyard in the south of England in the Seventies. He has worked, almost single handed, on the restoration over all those years. As can be seen this could never be a fighting machine again.

Mr Flick has always been kind and helpful with historical documents from his collection. I hope that everything works out for him. Most of you can just imagine working on a 1:1 model for 40 years and then have it confiscated!

This is one of the Panthers found almost complete on the assembly line at MNH in 1945, and finished under the management of REME for the British Army

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Old 07-08-2015, 10:16 AM   #53
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Background story for the English speaking, most articles covering the background to the raid is in German.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/wo...by-hitler.html
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Old 07-08-2015, 11:58 AM   #54
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Really a hard job getting it out of the cellar !

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207...83/View+Thread

And... I signed the petition below!

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Old 07-08-2015, 12:33 PM   #55
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Looks like they managed to knock one of his eagles off the wall!
"careful removal"
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Old 07-08-2015, 05:25 PM   #56
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I hope they pay for the damages! I still don't believe they had the right to remove it!

Come on everyone sign the petition!

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Old 07-08-2015, 05:30 PM   #57
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It had tracks...
Did they remove the tracks so it couls be easier to get it out?
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:00 PM   #58
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Looks like they lost control of the Panther when pulling it out; it shifted over to the left, striking the wall and knocking down the eagle (and doing other damage).

Wow - if it turns out the prosecutor had no legal justification for seizure and removal of the Panther, Flak 88, etc., one would hope that German law provides Mr. Flick with recourse against the relevant governmental entities and/or the individual governmental employees for the significant damages he has suffered. At least under US law, in addition to compensation for physical damages, I believe that Mr. Flick would have a strong claim for emotional damages/suffering as well (seeing his life-long collection broken up and damaged in this manner). Heck . . . . depending on the factual/legal basis (or lack thereof) for the prosecutor's actions, Mr. Flick might be entitled to punitive damages as well (assuming such exist under German law).

It sure makes me sick to see these historical items treated in such an irresponsible manner under the purported color of law.
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:31 AM   #59
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Yeah the Panther reversed, (slid back and to the left) hit the wall and the marble tiles (base of the eagle statue) came flying off,
eagle came crashing down, wing broke in the process (crack clearly visible)...What a shame!
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Old 07-09-2015, 07:13 AM   #60
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I just signed the petition.
Anyone and I mean anyone involved in the removal of that vehicle is a joke and look like a bunch of amateurs.
Are they not members of the German Army??
Unprofessional bunch of clowns.
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