"Panther" confiscated in germany

[NickG]

Originally Posted by bodes

Where do you think the police get automobiles, weapons, and other confiscated items that they put up for public auction?...That's right, the public.....Bodes

Indeed but that's if they're stolen and remain unclaimed or the owner has no rights to have these things in the first place (like a convicted felon)
and according to the Panther owner's attorney he totally had the rights to have this collection as it was all properly demilitarized...
When was the last time you saw a tank go up on auction because it was confiscated (deemed illegal to own)? That just doesn't happen...as its illegal (not properly demilled...) If they find any irregularities it will go to a museum, not a general public auction! Cars are different of course!

Here's the Flak gun which they picked up later that night! Photo credit DerSpiegel)

[uscob]

At least I saw Pic's of a Torpedo (what was classified as an AntiTank rocket by one Newspaper or so) and Mahor Parts of a V1 Rocket.
Read that for the Tank, a Demil-Certifficate is present.

[DonC]

Was Flick involved n the recent Thorak horse issue? I wonder if this is a way to put pressure on him to cough up more information...

Don

[sdkfz181]

Originally Posted by NickG

It looks amazing for a salvaged scrap yard tank. Lots of work went into it! Did you guys notice the MG42 that was loaded up in the Police Van.
No doubt its the turret gun for this impressive beast!

Somebody local wrote that many people knew about its existence in that neighborhood for decades... to include the local police even...
An ambitious (overzealous) government prosecutor did this action. I have no doubt that the owner will get it all back...tank and torpedo...
(demilitarized equipment is legal) !

It was not really a secret. People knew about this Panther.
Its also on this list:

http://tank-photographs.s3-website-e...sdkfz-171.html Panther Ausf. G - Friedrich Christian Flick, Northern Germany (running condition)

We talk about Flick's Panther right ?

I dont really see the problem here. Why cant he have this Panther.
He did preserve it verry well. A historical piece of the past.

Or do somebody think he go in to the war with this Panther ...... yeah right ..

[Lloyds]

Flicks Panther should not be a problem it was bought legaly from Eddy Kenton in London back in the 1970s and came from a UK scrapyard the 88 was allso from the UK and both were kept in Northern Germany at his place (not in his basement )along with a large collection of WW2 militaria the problem is the so called stolen Nazi art

[NickG]

Another image of the 88 Flakgeschutz here:

http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schles...nsfund124.html

[ODW]

Was Flick involved n the recent Thorak horse issue? I wonder if this is a way to put pressure on him to cough up more information...

Arno Brenkers "The Wehrmacht" stood in his garden. The horses stood in a hangar a few miles away from his house.
A few weeks ago, the case with the horses were actual, "Spiegel TV" broadcasted a Clip, showing "The Wehrmacht" in his garden. And showing the police/attorney visiting him the first time about the "Nazi art".
The commentator from the off: "Big collector.......gots even a WW2 Tank and parts of the V2 in the bunker under his house."
To me only a question of time......when happen what happend.

[Lampwick]

Will it have done a lot of damage to the running wheels on the tank? I see that one of the tyres on the 88 is knackered.

[NickG]

Originally Posted by ODW

Arno Brenkers "The Wehrmacht" stood in his garden. The horses stood in a hangar a few miles away from his house.
A few weeks ago, the case with the horses were actual, "Spiegel TV" broadcasted a Clip, showing "The Wehrmacht" in his garden. And showing the police/attorney visiting him the first time about the "Nazi art".
The commentator from the off: "Big collector.......gots even a WW2 Tank and parts of the V2 in the bunker under his house."
To me only a question of time......when happen what happend.

Indeed
This case!

http://www.kn-online.de/News/Aktuell...ehrmacht-Figur

[Lloyds]

Originally Posted by Lampwick

Will it have done a lot of damage to the running wheels on the tank? I see that one of the tyres on the 88 is knackered.

I don't think so its probably the best and easiest way to move it the 88 used to be displayed without its wheeled axels so I expect they just put them back to shift it

[harrison987]

You would think that in the last 30 years, he would have been able to add tracks to it???

as it sits...it is not legally deactivated.

German law states that you MUST have square holes cut into each side of the armor...front, back, and all sides to be considered "deactivated".

In the 1970's, if the law did not require it...not sure if that gets grandfathered over...

Hopefully it won't come back to him with square windows.

[zemsi]

Originally Posted by harrison987

You would think that in the last 30 years, he would have been able to add tracks to it???

... what about if the German Bundeswehr took the tracks off because they were stucked and wouldn't turn around?

[r_hufschmied]

All registries need to be amended as the (former?) owner is not Friedrich Christian Flick, one main heir to the Flick industrial empire and fortune, it is Klaus Dieter Flick , age 78.

[Paul.B.]

Gee what is the government afraid of?
Some old krank is going to take over the country with a 70 year old tank.
Typical small minded beurocrats with no nuts.

[Fritz84]

Originally Posted by Paul.B.

Gee what is the government afraid of?
Some old krank is going to take over the country with a 70 year old tank.
Typical small minded beurocrats with no nuts.

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