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Old 10-30-2019, 08:23 PM   #1
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I would like to here your opinions on these collar tabs: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=1021490


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Old 10-30-2019, 10:34 PM   #2
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Hello All,


I would like to here your opinions on these collar tabs: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=1021490


Thanks.


Fred
Pictures are blurry infantry mansions fakes ?
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:02 AM   #3
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the infantry look a bit off ,would like to see close up photos of both especially the end of the green center stripe
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:43 AM   #4
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These collar patches are mine ...
I enclose 2 more closer pictures of them and of the 20 pieces sets found .
To get the real light on smaller items is sometimes difficult .
These collar patches comes from the larger hoard of 15 000 sets found
in Europe in the 80's .With some different pipings+grey colours and manufacturers .
So no wonder they eventually showed up one day for sale by Manion's ?
it doesn't automatically mean they are repro ...
Not from the same manufacturer . these 2 do have 2 different makings for example .
I recently found some , left overs from this lot , having had them already in the 80's still packed by 20 pieces : left side and right side separately .
Like it should be on bevo rolls .
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Old 10-31-2019, 06:26 AM   #5
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Don't see any Problems with them. Simple unworn and then they look like this. They where on Market since the 80s when someone dig up a large amount of these Tabs.
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Old 11-01-2019, 03:26 PM   #6
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Hello,


The collar tabs are reproductions.


The pink panzer tabs showed up late 60's early 70's. I liked these a lot and thought that they were good until I talked to some other collectors. They came in almost all of the colors, came backed and unbacked. When backed on a golden color buckram I was told that they had a chemical smell. I disassembled a pair and you couple smell it.


Here are examples of the different configurations and colors that I have.
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Old 11-01-2019, 03:29 PM   #7
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The Infantry tabs are from another manufacturer. They were sold by Ron Manion in the early 90's. One of the "tells" on these collar tabs is that on one end of the center stripe there appears 3 small spikes. These collar tabs are also cut shorter than originals and it is hard to properly sew them down.


These examples I purchased directly from Ron Manions catalog. They were around $7. a pair My friend says $12. a pair. No matter what they cost they are still reproduction.
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Why do you think they are repro ? Technically wise of course ...
Because about 15 000 of them came on the market in the 80's ?
Too many at one time ?
But bear in mind they came in different manufacturer variations
and some different pipings at the same time ?
Do you really think they did many variations on purpose in the 80's ?
I'm afraid not ...
What they became later is another story , being sewn on different repro backings
for example, as you show ?
But it doesn't make the Litzen themselves repro ?
Nick
PS : the guy still had an old pic showing the big box full of mixed collar patches , to be sorted to get real pairs ...
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The Infantry tabs are from another manufacturer. They were sold by Ron Manion in the early 90's. One of the "tells" on these collar tabs is that on one end of the center stripe there appears 3 small spikes. These collar tabs are also cut shorter than originals and it is hard to properly sew them down.


These examples I purchased directly from Ron Manions catalog. They were around $7. a pair My friend says $12. a pair. No matter what they cost they are still reproduction.
So the price tells if they are original or not ?
So it means if Manion's had some to sell in the 90's for 12 USD a pair ,
they can only be repro ?
When you do have 15 000 pairs of Litzen to sell , i'm afraid you do some bulk prices , per 100 pairs for example ?
That's what i bought at that time ...
And sold them slowly in the 80's , 90's , 2000's ...because the market was full of them .
I remember buying WH M43 Pz Grenadier shoulder straps in the late 70's,mint from stocks for 7 DM a pair when you purchased 10 pairs : about 3 USD !
The guy had 1000's of them !
Look what they cost today : 150 USD to 200 USD !
I should have bought more of them ... but at that time many people thought they were repro and they were not commercial at all !
Now : original for sure !
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Don't see any Problems with them. Simple unworn and then they look like this. They where on Market since the 80s when someone dig up a large amount of these Tabs.
Exactly !
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Old 11-01-2019, 04:13 PM   #11
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Hello,


No not because of that, I have never seen any of these 15,000 pairs of collar tabs applied to an original tunic.


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They are original, perfect original. These Things i bought for 10 Schillings back in the Day on the Market, thats not even a Euro in todays Money. Most of them came from a former Tailor, when i remember right it was Schwarz. He was one of the biggest in Germany, they had a Warehouse full of that Stuff. And yes, i do have seen them on Tunics too.
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Old 11-02-2019, 02:16 AM   #13
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And yes, i do have seen them on Tunics too.
Can you show one?
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What? A Tunic? I have seen them, and own a few Years back as well a few with them. Will look if i still have one with these Tabs. They are perfect fine, not much more to say.

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Old 11-02-2019, 03:45 AM   #15
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Fred,

I've read the threads about them you and the info you provided is very usefull.
But I'm still wondering why are you so sure they are fakes. They are not standard, yes, but could not they be a variation of manufacture ? Any info to say 100% that they are fakes ?
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