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Old 02-23-2013, 07:40 PM   #571
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The Soviets stockpiled lots of WWII items, not just German but other foreign manufacture. They did this with all types of material, though the enormous inventories of M1928 US Thompson SMGs and K98's are the most widely encountered. The fact is, after WWII the Soviet Bloc kept items they thought they could reissue or just didn't know what to do with, in quantity.
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I tend to believe you have ignored this question several times before, but, do you think the soviets have dumped ALL mint uinforms that they have liberated in batches except of these weird looking pink smocks?

If so, then that scenario is rather fantastic I would say.

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Great thread with great research with great results! Bravo!

These Russian movie studio stamps in "pink"smocks prove that these are 100% authentic and original uniforms. No one would ever fake these movie studio stamps 30 years ago.

No doubt these are original movie studio stamps.

And back then Russian movie studios only had original WW2 German camo uniforms in their inventory - they never made or buy repro camo uniforms for their movies. When they did not have it, they simply used modern Russian camo in their movies. See a screenshot from a Russian movie made in late 1970s for example. They did not care much about the correct camo patterns.

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Fritz, please post where you posed this exact question you allege I "ignored" in previous threads, from me to you.

I will tell you that quantity or bulk issues of gear or many types were maintained by the Soviets - what they chose to keep and release is something you can investigate if you choose to.

They didn't just release to the western collectors markets either. The Soviet Union operated on a non-convertible currency, and sold all types of gear to start-up and smaller armies all over the world for real currency. Where do you think all those STG44s are doing in Syria?

Vietnam, Cuba, even North Korea (who had SS Dot 44 uniforms) got various dumps of gear. It's not much of a stretch that other groups of uniform items went elsewhere - western collectors markets don't account for it all.

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Old 02-23-2013, 07:56 PM   #574
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Not sure if you noticed the forum had been down for some days? So, terribly sorry, but the "bushwhaker's" still around. I am here, and I am pleased to see that Owen (as well as others) is still here.


Not sure what your agenda is. You are not known to be into camo...? So what's all the struggle for on your end?

I don't have one of these, don't want one of these - means I am not competing you for your purchases. Good luck in acquiring as many as you possibly can - please post pics!


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I was in Leningrad (months, not days) when it changed to Saint Petersburg, and bought plenty of ex-military stuff through the museums there. That was a common pipeline: the Soviet MOD dumped stuff they had stockpiled for reserve issue to the film market. It was an authorized displosal method - and it's how things were done.

The Soviets stockpiled lots of WWII items, not just German but other foreign manufacture. They did this with all types of material, though the enormous inventories of M1928 US Thompson SMGs and K98's are the most widely encountered. The fact is, after WWII the Soviet Bloc kept items they thought they could reissue or just didn't know what to do with, in quantity.

These circle and triangle stamps are Soviet military. They were in these smocks 20 years before ANY film stamps were being reproduced, and that's just film stamps. ...

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There must be Russian collectors around who know exactly what these circle and triangle stamps represent. I'm saying that I tend to agree with you that they are Soviet military or at least offical goverment property marks, but it would be interesting to find out exactly when, why and where these particular ones were used.

Since a good many of the smocks were not stamped at all it would also being interesting to know why some were some were not.....I can only speculate that they did not break open the "bales" when intact. I figure that these were packed either 50 or 100 to the bale....

The first page that started this thread is worth reading again, as is the entire thread. There are also many other long threads on these smocks going back 10 years or so... I have seen at least 2 of these over the last 15 years attributed to 82nd Div vet bring backs. I know it is easy to dismiss, but both examples had no sign of stamps and it is interesting that they both were turned up by one unit....also the people who had them had very soild reputations and the circumstances of how they accessed the vet's items were compelling.

I'm not saying that every vet find is real, but people have a tendency to make the facts fit their theories....I know that also goes both ways. It is important to put egos and perceived authority status aside when seeking the truth and that is all that I want.
 

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Fritz, please post where you posed this exact question you allege I "ignored" in previous threads, from me to you.

I will tell you that quantity or bulk issues of gear or many types were maintained by the Soviets - what they chose to keep and release is something you can investigate if you choose to.

They didn't just release to the western collectors markets either. The Soviet Union operated on a non-convertible currency, and sold all types of gear to start-up and smaller armies all over the world for real currency. Where do you think all those STG44s are doing in Syria?

Vietnam, Cuba, even North Korea (who had SS Dot 44 uniforms) got various dumps of gear. It's not much of a stretch that other groups of uniform items went elsewhere - western collectors markets don't account for it all.

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Well, that goes for all ss divisions. Where are their mint and unissued batches of uniforms? Where are the mint dot uniforms? Where are the mint leiber uniforms? There should be 1000s of them.

Of all things only those weird smocks, that are pretty far away from the real deal, have survived in such quantity. "Unlikely" to say the least.
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Oh, you mean a general question out of hundreds of postings to no one in particular - not a question from me to you that I've ignored several times.

Please re-read what I posted above. No one here is proposing that this is the only group of mint uniforms disposed of or uncovered; just since this thread restarted some cases that have been brought forward include:

- tropical uniforms and caps
- M44 Dot Uniforms for the Korean Peninsula (worn post-war by korean soldiers - where do you think those came from?)
- the standard Soviet practice of distributing captured war stocks to smaller armies around the world for money

So I've answered your question - there were stockpiled uniforms that did show up from time to time.

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Not sure if you noticed the forum had been down for some days? So, terribly sorry, but the "bushwhaker's" still around. I am here, and I am pleased to see that Owen (as well as others) is still here.

Not sure what your agenda is. You are not known to be into camo...? So what's all the struggle for on your end?

Look - this is about finding out the truth about the historical background of these "pink" smocks, right?

So simply keep it on the smocks.
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- there were stockpiled uniforms that did show up from time to time.

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here i agree with you Robert,but the construction of them has to follow ww2 workmanship,and pink not work here.
 

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Was hat das mit der Frage hier zu tun, ob diese "pink smocks" original sind oder nicht?

Genau: Gar nichts.
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Look - this is about finding out the truth about the historical background of these "pink" smocks, right?
Is it?


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There are no doubters around anymore - if there ever have been many.

There are just people telling what the really are and those who dismiss it.

Those who dismiss it in reality eagerly try to buy them themselves and just want to keep prices low to make bargains.

That´s all.
It seemed like you have already found "the truth"?
 

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here i agree with you Robert,but the construction of them has to follow ww2 workmanship,and pink not work here.
Never in that quantity - as far as I am aware of.
 

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Is it?

It seemed like you have already found "the truth"?

I share my points of view as well as you and anybody else here.

Thank you for focussing on the smocks in future.
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Was hat das mit der Frage hier zu tun, ob diese "pink smocks" original sind oder nicht?

Genau: Gar nichts.
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