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Old 01-06-2012, 02:49 PM   #46
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Old 01-07-2012, 03:47 PM   #47
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Hi all
I´m wandering why we almost always see knee pads with Rbnrs, even blue ones with Rbnr. Which means they are after late ´42.
Where are all the kneepads with Firm/Maker stamps on them? are they lying in ditches on Crete in Russia and North Africa??
What do you all think?
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:53 PM   #48
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Good question Jan. I have an early pair in olive that is maker marked "Karl Heisler, Berlin". Have never seen another.
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Have seen a khaki pair with Heisler stamps Jan, and believe another khaki pair, or perhaps a single with the Heisler stamp was posted on WAF once.

But yes, most are forever gone, along with most of the early smocks, early bandoleers, and hooked helmet covers.
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You´re right john, so these were maybe considered more and less as discard items. I´ve also only seen one Heisler stamp pair, and these
Willi Here´s a little more info for your book.
I read ; Max Srauss Berlin and A. Hahn ?? Krodentstr. 33/40 ? These are still on auctionsite 321Militaria, and I have tried to contact him for the full name on the second pad, as this is a seldom time where we can see the names, but he didn´t write back.
The Max Srauss Berlin name is why I said it could be the Rbnr 0/0250/0204.


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You might be on to something Jan. We know 0/0250/0201 is Heisler. 0/0250/0204 was certainly a prolific maker of elbow pads, and knee pads for that matter. My early Heisler pair are different than my very early "0204" pair. Same style of olive smooth cotton, but other features are different.

I do have an early single (pre-war worn under the smock style) elbow pad which was also made by Heisler. Just like the very early knee pads.
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Old 01-08-2012, 11:04 AM   #52
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Speaking of elbow pads, what is the difference between the German ones and the Italian ones? One feature that looks identical is the type of elastic. The other pads in this group have a tight weave, but the pair Jan shows have the same heavily ribbed, tannish elastic bands as mine do.

Are the ones I show in the thread definately Italian, and if so, are they WWII?

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I also have a question about stamps on the trsaps themselves on the olive pairs. Both pairs are from the same manufacturer, and they have these stamps on them:
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and this stamp as well...
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they are both from this manufacturer -
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Those ink stamps are present on some of the straps. Not sure why they are only present on a small percenteg; about 20% or so in my experience.

The Italian elbow pads are longer, more narrow, and just shaped differently. I would defer to our Italian para experts, but I think they are WWII.

Here is a pair of FJ elbow pads from another discussion.
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Ciao Willi! please take a look at the attached pictures: this is what I am referring to. But after your notes I am now puzzled if the TOP and BOTTOM are typical elastics and only the one in the centre is a white cloth tie, or all three are cloth ties, in different colours... Both variant existed? Maybe anyone has clearer pictures of other samples available?


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Yes, a few of those have turned up. But, do you mean the ones that had white cloth ties, instead of elastic straps?

Green, olive, olive-tan are all minor color variations. And then there is camo.....
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Dan,
Look here ( unfortunately the photos have been deleted of the found pair )

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=elbow+pads
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Hi All
Does anyone following this thread have a knee pad or picture of one with the A. Hahn stamp on it.
If we can get the name on the ?strasse we might can determin the city, and then possible the Rbnr.

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Daniele, yes those are the ones I was referring too, and still need to find a pair. I think I have the photos somewhere.

Jan, I haven't seen those markings.

Here is an early blue knee pad Heisler marked.
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