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Old 07-10-2018, 05:09 PM   #1
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Default Need help with ribbon bar.

I know the India General Service ribbon on the far left, but what are the other three?

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Old 07-12-2018, 07:09 AM   #2
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I think the red with the rosette [second from left] is the French Legion d'honneur; the next may be the Belgian Volunteer Combatants Medal for WWI but looks too dark. Third one is familiar but I can't place it. I think it odd that a British flyer - IGS for post WWI operation in Afghanistan/Iraq/Persia plus wings - could have gotten the three foreign awards and the IGS but no other British medals.

Interesting and, if real, possibly unique.
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I have a feeling, though so far unconfirmed, that he was an Old Contemptible, who was wounded, transferred to the RFC, flew over the Indian Frontier, and was killed shortly after, so never had a chance to earn another British medal.

That's the only thing that makes logical sense. The ribbon bar has been on the jacket for a very long time, but that truly doesn't mean anything as we know that unscrupulous dealers would gild the lilly at every opportunity.

It was in a old, old collection, but that is the ultimate problem, there is no provenance for anything. I have the complete uniform (he was a Major in the 10th Royal Hussars) except for his boots, and what I have all looks correct, but the ribbon bar is the big problem, because I agree with you, the odds of him earning the French, and Belgian awards) if that is what they are, and not receiving corresponding British decorations is highly suspect.





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I think the red with the rosette [second from left] is the French Legion d'honneur; the next may be the Belgian Volunteer Combatants Medal for WWI but looks too dark. Third one is familiar but I can't place it. I think it odd that a British flyer - IGS for post WWI operation in Afghanistan/Iraq/Persia plus wings - could have gotten the three foreign awards and the IGS but no other British medals.

Interesting and, if real, possibly unique.
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It is a puzzlement. Sounds like a lovely uniform, however.
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Do you have his name? if he was awarded those foreign awards you should be able to check them in the London Gazette
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The Red and White ribbon is similar to the Italian order of the crown
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:04 AM   #7
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Left to right
British India general service medal
France Legion D'Honneur
Belgium Order of Leopold
Italy Order of the Crown
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British India general service medal
France Legion D'Honneur
Belgium Order of Leopold
Italy Order of the Crown
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Also if you have name his RFC records potentially are online and they might also tell you what he's entitled to or shed more light on why he won those medals (if he did)
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Sadly there is no name on any of the kit. It would make things so much easier!
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Sadly there is no name on any of the kit. It would make things so much easier!
Pity though how do you know he was killed on the India frontier? If he was a major and did die out there that should be researchable
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It's a theory based on the Foreign decorations with no corresponding British awards.

Add to that the aviation branch which had a high accident rate and the supposition has legs. But, it is only a theory.




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If the recipient served in the Royal Flying Corps as a pilot this would mean he was in service prior to April 1918, when the RAF was formed. A pilot who served during WWI would be entitled to at least a British War Medal.

It is possible he was a pilot before WWI who had no WWI service. He then returned to service after the war to earn the IGS medal. It is not possible that he earned the IGS medal before WWI because there were only two actions where the medal could be earned (NW Frontier 1908 and Abor 1911 - 1912) neither of which had Royal Flying Corps involvement. The other possibility is that he had no WWI service at all but served as a post-war RAF pilot, say starting in 1919, earning his IGS medal and other decorations between the war. It is possible that the tailor only had an RFC wing to sew on, and so that was used. It is not uncommon to see 1919-1920 uniforms with an "incorrect" wing.

The wing is an original one, and is quite valuable on its own. The uniform is not as valuable as the wing. So, if it is a put-together item it was likely done a long time ago when RFC items were not so expensive.

If it is a post-WWI Indian Army officer the tailor put an older wing on the tunic. However, foreign awards (of the type that are on the uniform) would not be something you would find on a pilot's uniform, at least in my experience. They would be found with higher ranking officers who are involved in planning. So I would lean toward the idea that the wing was simply added later to make the display more interesting.
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