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Old 07-16-2017, 10:32 AM   #1
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Default Defence of Odessa medal

Hi all

After staring myself blind on differences in Odessa medals I think I finally have seen the light and found myself a good one. Please let me know if you agree or not

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Old 07-16-2017, 10:53 AM   #2
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I have no idea, no experience with them or anything like it. I do really like yours a lot though. I've never seen many Soviet WW2 medals.


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Old 07-16-2017, 11:19 AM   #3
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I believe it to be a good one. Can you also show the full medal incl. suspension...front and back please?

Edit: now watching on my pc instead of phone and there is one thing that I notice which makes yours different from the orginals that I have seen. It is the exact location of the ring above the word "оборону". The originals that I have seen all have the ring exactly above the letters "ну" while yours has the ring centered above the last few letters "ону". A minor detail and I am not 100% sure whether this is a bad sign, but the originals that I have seen all have this little feature different than yours.

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Old 07-16-2017, 04:05 PM   #4
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Hi Marcel

Soviet medals is IMO hard to figure out, so thanks for taking a close look at my medal. I didn't post the suspension as it clearly postwar and in any case circumstantial.

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Old 07-17-2017, 03:24 AM   #5
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I am usually allergic to mis-aligned rings and indeed this one triggers me. I like the rest of the award but the fact that the ring does not line up with the hammer and sickle, nor the middle of CCCP, gives me an itch. I would be careful in this case.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:22 AM   #6
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Thanks Tretov for the input, it's really a good example of how enigmatic these medals are that were not dealing with design, is it cast or die struck etc. We would never evaluate a Memel medal from this perspective.

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Old 07-17-2017, 01:00 PM   #7
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The mis-alignment is indeed a bit worrying. Can you make a pic from the ring where it is clearly visible how it is attached to the medal (view from above)? It could be that the ring is re-attached since there are some rough edges on the place where the ring is supposed to be originally. Though in all honesty, there should be more solder marks visible on the side as well if re-attached.

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Old 07-20-2017, 12:30 AM   #8
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it's a good one, with a possibility that the suspension ring has been re-soldered. congrats
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:07 AM   #9
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Thanks for all the comments, I'm glad that the medal itself doesn't raise doubts so far. Concerning the eyelet misalignment (very well spotted Marcel) I have spent some time studying my other campaign medals,from this production period, under microscope and found that misalignment can be seen from time to time on IMO original pieces. In more pieces the reverse die isn't aligned with the obverse die and the general quality of the die is not if the quality that we're used to see in TR medal production (hope I'm not insulting any Russian members here). I will speculate so far to say (working theory) that it's easier to align the eyelet in those cases where the obverse shows a star at the 12 o'clock rather than letters as with the Odessa medal, but then again the russian medal workers didn't necessarily handle the medals looking at the obverse when soldering the eyelet.

Back to the piece itself, I have photographed it through my microscope and think it rules out resoldering of the eyelet.

Would love if others could post pics of their Odessa medals here in order to compare and discuss this medal. Thanks again to those who has commented

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Old 07-21-2017, 09:27 AM   #10
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Here's my misaligned liberation of Königsberg medal.

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Old 07-21-2017, 12:40 PM   #11
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The Odessa isn't resoldered from this close-up pic, however the Königsberg medal is resoldered. Suspension is also replaced. Due to wear fragile pins broke off the original suspensions and were replaced both during and postwar. This one is replaced postwar. The same goes for these rings. Due to wear rings could easily break off. In one of the Soviet memoirs I have a Red Army veteran even explained how he broke and lost his medal due to too heavy drinking after the awarding of the medal
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Old 07-21-2017, 03:59 PM   #12
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Hi Marcel

Your right, the soldering is very sloppy. Thanks again for your input

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